Propane
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BoostedBug
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Jay,
I am making a custom up pipe for my car since the powerstroke IC install. I think it is in the reduction at the throttle body that is causing my problems.
If this doesn't do it I will get some weatherstrip glue and glue the damm things on! I am real happy with my measly 22lbs of boost right now. A guy in the hog nose trans am didn't like the 22 psi but oh well.
After Monday when I am through fabricating this up pipe I will turn her back up for some real fun...A kid down here has a 440 road runner that he wants to show the tail lights to my friends GN. His GN is almost stock so I said I would be his hucklberry. You know how these kids are when they see a Burgandy Colume shift pillow top regal.
He will learn the hard way....
I am making a custom up pipe for my car since the powerstroke IC install. I think it is in the reduction at the throttle body that is causing my problems.
If this doesn't do it I will get some weatherstrip glue and glue the damm things on! I am real happy with my measly 22lbs of boost right now. A guy in the hog nose trans am didn't like the 22 psi but oh well.
After Monday when I am through fabricating this up pipe I will turn her back up for some real fun...A kid down here has a 440 road runner that he wants to show the tail lights to my friends GN. His GN is almost stock so I said I would be his hucklberry. You know how these kids are when they see a Burgandy Colume shift pillow top regal.
He will learn the hard way....
At what boost do you get to see your rods? I think 26 olbs which is 100% more than factory will show you what the 3.8 looks like inside soon. Now I am talking about a stock block with no girtal(sp). I am just sitting here watching and waiting on the first to spit the rods out. 22 psi good and safe 26 psi pushing it.
BoostedBug
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If it spits the rods out so be it. Then it will be time to get my Cotton motor. Either way I am going to be happy! This won't be the first car I broke on some gas..Other was on some NOS.
If you spit the rods out of it, You will sell it like you did the other one ;-) I wasn't really talking about you though as you dont really race that much, maybe 1 time a year Like me? You know we are to old to do it much. I was talking about the folks who do it everyday. I dont think the little v-6's will last at that boost very long. But Steve i have to get you credit, You have did good with this Regal. I knew as soon as you got one you would love it. I am worried about all of those who run them day after day, how long can the rods last? There is alot of pressure on a rod at 26 lbs of boost. Are people buying these just to Street race? If so isn't that asking for trouble? I would also like to see a test between a car running at the track with vp116 in the tank and 22 psi of boost no propain. Get a time and then run it with pump gas and propain at 22 psi and see if there is a difference in E.T's. See I think that maybe something to do with the fuel may make a difference in the E.T's. Will the one with pump gas be faster? Or will it be the Race Gas one?? Bruce Are you reading this? If anyone would know it would be you!
Originally posted by Hyper
At what boost do you get to see your rods? I think 26 olbs which is 100% more than factory will show you what the 3.8 looks like inside soon. Now I am talking about a stock block with no girtal(sp). I am just sitting here watching and waiting on the first to spit the rods out. 22 psi good and safe 26 psi pushing it.
Ehhh....it wont spit no rods out....
BoostedBug
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Vader...
I talked with Joe Lubrant about your little problem. He said with the voluum of air that is going through your motor with that set up is like 4 more lbs of boost. So in a since you are getting the same as myself.
Talks to ya...If you look under chip's forum and see the post Chip Guru's help you can read his reply.
I talked with Joe Lubrant about your little problem. He said with the voluum of air that is going through your motor with that set up is like 4 more lbs of boost. So in a since you are getting the same as myself.
Talks to ya...If you look under chip's forum and see the post Chip Guru's help you can read his reply.
Is that even with my lower timing 93 chip compared to your higher timing chip....i think you said 22 degrees on yours, i run 18 degrees......what boost should i shoot for then....i guees 20 would be a solid number but im knocking at 17....I spoke with Jay and he said my bottle psi is too low....he said the bottle should at least be 20 psi higher than the regulated psi...ill do some more testing this weekend.
i am not jay but..
nearly no one who has the propane kit has reached a level where they are getting unacceptable knock.
I have not read ONE PERSON say "well... i hit the limit today.. 30psi.. got 5* knock"
every single person whos said anything seems to have said they are over 25psi and blowing off IC hoses, one guy is at 30psi or something, no knock problems.
basically there is no point to run alky and propane... if you already have alky, sell it and that'll take some of the cost of the propane kit off..
two examples of what i mean:
propane alone is more than enough
nearly no one who has the propane kit has reached a level where they are getting unacceptable knock.
I have not read ONE PERSON say "well... i hit the limit today.. 30psi.. got 5* knock"
every single person whos said anything seems to have said they are over 25psi and blowing off IC hoses, one guy is at 30psi or something, no knock problems.
basically there is no point to run alky and propane... if you already have alky, sell it and that'll take some of the cost of the propane kit off..
two examples of what i mean:
propane alone is more than enough
Turbo__Tim
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Vader 87 You should postn the new combo. Apparently you have ported heads? You have more air in there than it first appears. 4-5 'more psi worth'. Just look at the flow difference from stock heads, and take a percentage.
If it makes you feel better, I got 22-23 psi tops (in brief testing). Try Jay Carters' chip. It worked great in my car.
As far as the 30 psi people have run, let me just say that there is such a thing as 'empty boost'. For example:
Dennis Hogan, using alum. heads, and alchy injection ran a 10.97 with pump gas. 18-19 psi boost. through full exhaust as well. Now there is a guy that can tune, and set up a car!
Then there is me last year. (before the accident that nearly totaled my car) Before I went 2-stage with alchy injection I ran a 13.1 @ 99 mph. 1.74 60' time, Alum heads, with 22 psi. I believe my pt-51 was on the way out then, (since replaced after finding the exhaust fins all burned out from accidentially running 28* timing, but that's anpother story) and I was flooding the plugs with too much alchy. (We shall see what better times come in the spring...)
13.1? 99 mph? This is what I mean by 'empty boost'...
Realize this was through alum. heads as well! The equivelant of 26 psi on stock heads....
Every once in a while I hear of someone getting better times from turning the boost down. AnArkey was one of them I believe...
Soon the race results will be in. That is when you, me, and everybody else will know the true value of propane injection. Until then, don't worry about boost numbers. The numbers at the end of the track are the only ones that count!
If it makes you feel better, I got 22-23 psi tops (in brief testing). Try Jay Carters' chip. It worked great in my car.
As far as the 30 psi people have run, let me just say that there is such a thing as 'empty boost'. For example:
Dennis Hogan, using alum. heads, and alchy injection ran a 10.97 with pump gas. 18-19 psi boost. through full exhaust as well. Now there is a guy that can tune, and set up a car!
Then there is me last year. (before the accident that nearly totaled my car) Before I went 2-stage with alchy injection I ran a 13.1 @ 99 mph. 1.74 60' time, Alum heads, with 22 psi. I believe my pt-51 was on the way out then, (since replaced after finding the exhaust fins all burned out from accidentially running 28* timing, but that's anpother story) and I was flooding the plugs with too much alchy. (We shall see what better times come in the spring...
)13.1? 99 mph? This is what I mean by 'empty boost'...
Realize this was through alum. heads as well! The equivelant of 26 psi on stock heads....
Every once in a while I hear of someone getting better times from turning the boost down. AnArkey was one of them I believe...
Soon the race results will be in. That is when you, me, and everybody else will know the true value of propane injection. Until then, don't worry about boost numbers. The numbers at the end of the track are the only ones that count!
Bill_Ritter
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Sure you would, you still need a hose to connect the pipe from the turbo to the plenum. Its still the same thing, just with 2 less hoses.
