200-4R durability

[SGRIM]

This thread has become an embarresment...


I will say it right here first since it seems all the players are watching this thread...

NO MORE PRICING IN THIS SECTION!

This is a tech forum for tech. Not price wars...

I will immediately move or remove any post containing a price in the section from now on...

Advertisers Specials:wink: That is what it is there for...


People from all different communities read this section for help on the 2004r. We have the best experts out there on this board. We need to show some pride and respect so we can have something that separates us from the other boards...

I have had trans from all of them just about... No real problems and if so they took care of it, I know I know... Point is each one of these guys are different and have different opinions on things...

I have said it numerous times to pick up the phone and call these guys or PM them and see who you feel comfortable with...

Everything that glitters isn't gold!

 

[jasjamz]

I did my own research, click on a name under a vendor in the trans poll, see if he is making comparable power and weight, ask his opinion of the unit and vendor...Simple...

As far as prices go, its like building engines, you pay for what you don't know.
How much one charges you for not knowing is the cost of learning.

 

["Turbo-T"]

Sorry for clouding your thread. Typically mid low 12s. There have been some get in the mid 11s and some claim faster but that is not the norm. If it has the factory stator you will be had pressed to run 12s for long. If its had the benefit of a hard stator I think 12s for a while. The band tends to fail on cars that start to make 12 second power.

Thanks for this info and apology accepted. Wow. I didn't think a stock 200-4R was only good for the 12's. Guess I need to rethink things here. Of course I was not going to be launching off of a t brake at the strip...so I dunno how much of a shock one can handle stock but it doesn't sound like much.

I wouldnt and dont recommend a stock unit for anything other than a 12 second et.

Thanks. Again I'm a tad bit surprised...or maybe I shouldn't be....being it's an 80's car. Guess I better make sure she don't run any faster than 12's unless i can find out if someone's been in the tranny.

For the record, I have a car here i put together over 2 years ago that runs 11.20s at 120 on pump gas on radials or slicks with a consistant 1.5 60 ft that has a BONE STOCK internal trans for clutches bands and hard parts.
It has a hardened stator,my own calibration,no deep pan,stock filter and he has put over 20k miles and 100 passes on it and it still shifts great with 60k miles on it.

Otto I didn't get to sort the good points on here with all the rivalry, but is the stator the #1 thing for longevity? I just want to foot brake launch at the track with some MT ET street drag radials w/o the tranny dropping out on me at the line.

 

[Ttype6]

If your personal experience with dave is from a phone call,or via email,why did you vote for him in "who built your trans"?That makes you a liar doesnt it?

Please quote me where I said my experience with Dave was through a phone call or Email.

I voted for Dave and Bruce because their teachings,when applied by me, fixed my third gear problem. I know Brian builds a good trans from my conversation with him on the phone. I know Lonnie builds a good trans from what Dave has told me about his procedure. I had to give credit To Bruce and Dave because without them I wouldn't have been successful. I couldn't vote for Lonnie and Brian because I fixed my trans before I talked to or heard about them. I couldn't bring myself to vote other(me) because Dave and Bruce deserved to be recognized for their help.

However I would like to recognize you for some very good name calling.

 

[Ttype6]

ttype6,,, you made the right choice of words for me,,,,

It only means you'll make less money.


I would still like to know why so much of a drop in price in chris's trans all of a sudden,,, maybe someone else is making the hard parts beside chris? of coarse someone is......

maybe these guys will post what they was charging for the same units, what chris is selling now..... since he lowered his prices... i want to see price's!!!!! that will tell the story. If you talk the talk post it up.

also i'm not taking chris's side neither... i just like to know why could not charge the price you do now from like 4 months ago,,,,,i know metal has not went down...

I think these are all good points,but I think my point of view is a little different from yours. I wasn't concerned at all about Chris making to much money. I think everyone should charge what the market will bear. When I spoke of making less money I was talking about a price war resulting in no one making money. Again I think everyone should charge as much as they can get.

 

[Ttype6]

as far as prices go, its like building engines, you pay for what you don't know.
How much one charges you for not knowing is the cost of learning.

bingo!!

 

[GNBRETT]

NAH im not gonna say it...uh ..screw it I am because I dont want anyone else going through what i and a few other friends have went through with his units not lasting and some had.."BILLET" parts but the frictions would NOT last.


I know the stage 1 I got from you several years back was crap... never shifted right...had a 3 second delay on 3-2 kickdown whether manual or TV min or Max. It had no wire harness in the case and no psi switches and was orderded L/U(had teh l/u solenoid though), the elec connector on the case was broken and leaked and I was charged for a BRF and got a CZ VB.

Postons made it right thank god!

Postons gave you the boot because your transmissions wouldnt hold up and you would not get the units that failed rebuilt and back out in a timely manner...PERIOD.

Buyer beware.

I was rooked by your lip hype on the net back then...never again!

To the OP my apologies for further screw of your thread

Your using Poston as an example for quality tranny work? There not even in business any longer. Cmon, that sounds rediculous.... Is that the best example you can come up with when trying to bash someone? Weak actually.

Buyer beware? That didn't seem to stop most of the TOP tranny builders from buying his parts over the years did it?

Lol.... Poston. Did you actually think before you posted that? Apparently not. A company that ran themselves into the ground due to poor customer service and that's your example of fine work?

Sometimes the best advertising for a particular vendor is ignorant posts like the one you posted. I'm sure CK thanks you.

 

[turbo nasty]

tnasty,we already covered this in your attempt to crap on me last year in this forum.That trans was 5 years ago.You bought it from postons,not me.It was a PAE unit I freshened for JIM at postons that he sold you.Postons is out of business,I am still here.

Well we are covering it again!!
Thats been your pawn off from day one...PAE. Mark was the owner at the time so Jim wasnt even there, the PAE must have been another person that was ball kicked with a crap trans.
It was drop shipped from you invoice said CK performance and Postons verified it was from you. The PAE business dont Jive I was standing there in Postons when they called you about it. They were an hour away from me and I went there several times over the years and knew Jim very well and the second owner Mark as well.
Maybe you have it right now...MAYBE. Its FACTthat your could NOT make the frictions last in the trans back then.

Postons Fired you cause you couldnt build a trans to last and caused nothing but heartache with them.

So for you to get on the trans builder mountain and pound your chest with the big headed builder supremo is arrogant and shallow.

 

[WeSS]

transmissions

Lonnie,
My post wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular.

I just get tired of hearing the builders or their nuthuggers who say they are the only ones who have figured out how to make 3rd live in a 200-4R, etc.

I've been doing it for 5+ yrs and IMO there are only three things needed specifically for the 3rd gear clutches.

A deep pan
Dual feed
Proper band kick-off (shift timing).

If you have enough pressure to keep the band and other clutches alive, you have what's needed for the 3rd clutches.

In all honesty a guy could take a TransGo Reprogramming kit, build a solid 200-4R with STOCK frictions and a decent band, make one calibration change for the band release with dual feed, and it will live into the 10's for years.

Everybody has their own build technique.
I helped Chris do some testing for his Recal Kit years ago, but I don't use his kit. I use some of the same features but I couldn't tell you what his hole sizes are, etc.

I do recommend his kit for those that want to build their own transmission, because it's the only one out there commercially available that works and is complete. Pressure regulator parts, boost valve, new plate, accum springs, etc.

I should buy his plates by the dozen but I keep telling myself I'm going to quit building 200-4Rs as often.

Edit:
On the subject of dual feeding the directs.
I had one come in recently with what was obviously a low pressure failure. Forward clutches absolutely cooked, welded together. I had to destroy the case to save the billet drum.
I suspect a TV cable issue because the pump still looked new and all the TV system seemed to function OK, even when tested in our test car.
Of course the customer seems to think it was fine and it has been in a car for about 3 yrs behind a 496 BBC.

The fwds were welded together, band was burnt, low reverse and OD's showed some heat, directs still appeared new.

That's a testament to the dual feed modification IMO.

I thought that was the only way to be cool in the car community is to be a nuthugger.

25 year old gm junk is a like gambling. Be prepared to lose some money at some point or another. Not always going to hit the jackpot. This stuff is not for the faint of heart however when one of these transmissions work correctly they are a blast to drive.

 

[Ttype6]

We need to show some pride and respect so we can have something that separates us from the other boards...

I agree with everything you wrote including this sentence. I see you write posts like this from time to time and they always seem to be very diplomatic. I think ,in reality,your role is more like the father of many children. The father loves all his children and at different times he recognizes one child for doing good and admonishes another when he does bad. I think what you say here is more like the diplomat in that it is neutral. However,in its neutrality, it looks like we are all equally guilty of disappointing the father. I think in reality some of us are behaving well and some aren't. I think in this sentence,you wrote,the ones who are behaving well are being admonished when they don't deserve to be.

 

[Otto J]

Otto I didn't get to sort the good points on here with all the rivalry, but is the stator the #1 thing for longevity? I just want to foot brake launch at the track with some MT ET street drag radials w/o the tranny dropping out on me at the line.

IT does wear out with mileage more than anything if its stock.We had hte trans out for a convertor change and replaced it to be safe as it was hakf worn.

 

[chris718]

The poll was who built your tranny?If he didnt and you clicked him off than that is dishonest isnt it?If it isnt than you live in a different world than me.Anyhow the votes dont mean a thing,it is the product,and I am very confident in what I have.That all I have to say for now.If someone wants to argue send me an email and leave everyone else out of it.

 

[turbo nasty]

Your using Poston as an example for quality tranny work? There not even in business any longer. Cmon, that sounds rediculous.... Is that the best example you can come up with when trying to bash someone? Weak actually.

Buyer beware? That didn't seem to stop most of the TOP tranny builders from buying his parts over the years did it?

Lol.... Poston. Did you actually think before you posted that? Apparently not. A company that ran themselves into the ground due to poor customer service and that's your example of fine work?

Sometimes the best advertising for a particular vendor is ignorant posts like the one you posted. I'm sure CK thanks you.

That gave me a chuckle...LOL

I and several others I know have had problems with his trans not holding up and teh customer support lets just say was not s good.

Need some Billet parts call CK Just dont buy a complete trans from there...LOL

Like I said before maybe he has it down now but not then.....Im done

 

[Roadrage david]

Ok afther reading al these posts ecetera. i like to know who can build me the best tr2004r for my soon to be build 700hp600+lbs feet of torque engine car combo.
I have a BTO level 3 in my car now who hase sirved and pleased me very wel . have been importing about 8 these units and a couple level 3 tr7004r transmissions as wel.
The Bto unit hase been taken upto 190 mph runs(beating the crap out of a aston Matin vantage at top speed) and highspeed long drives,
But there transmissions are not rated upto for what i need nekst for my new engine car combo.
we have formed a new competition that wil start this season its called Pro-touring G-mashine chalenge.

Its a multi race leaque that wil have 1 drag race weekend / one road race weekend / one autocross weekend / and one road raliegh weekend.
besides that the car wil be driven like a daily and in trafic.

The Bto unit i have now hase perfect street manners 2400 stal converter. snap acseleration and very good solid shifts in first and second gear!. 2e to 3e gear is ok but mildly looser ore slightly slipery.
i manual shift alot up and down like a manual transmission during road raceing!!.. love the lock up at high speed runs, my kick douwn isend working at the momend but its not a problem for me. Please send me a pm ore email to DDRegt@kabelfoon.nl . anyway forgive my spelling im dutch and dislectic PS if you guys might be looking for a over seas dealer for the above 630 hp ratings im al ears last but not least We do stress and test these units on a very diferend basis then what you guys normaly do im not sure if that requiers a diferend aprotchs in building these transmissions .