Turbo Alcohol class in BG

This is good news! I've been hounding the powers to be for years to allow the TTA's to run in any H/U class....fell on deaf ears year after year. Anyhow, now I get to run the TTA and use the meth injection...I'm happy. Too bad my combo this year will be less competitive over last years....oh well, maybe I'll be able to run my opponent down on the big end becuase I cannot seem to hold more than 4 psi on the line before it starts creeping bad :mad: I'm going to have to address this problem STAT.
 
jsta6 said:
No worries. I am not complaining, just asking.

I do have a battery cut off switch.

Why allow only 15 or 16" wheels?

The rules move over from the other class rules. I was able to get them to add the 16 inch designation.. past that.. we'll see after the event of others that may want larger rims.. and the issues of having a larger contact patch.. Guess its to try and keep everyone similar.. whether beneficial or not. And keep tire sizes down as well. I was suprissed they allowed slicks on a street car class... thats ok.. plenty of wheels and tires for sale.
 
Quickie Q: Why all the rules? You guys are going to go down there and spend half a day checking if you car fits all the rules... tape measures, octane probes, special alky dispensers, exhaust, ... ugh; JUST RACE EM! HAVE FUN!

Three rules would do this fine: Weight, Block, and Pump Gas...

I had wanted to do TSM but I simply cannot take all that rule stuff. Why limit yourself... to me the block and vehicle weight is the limit, you can only pump so many HP through a 109. I'd rather see all kinds of crazy stuff and fuel additives and anything to get more power out of that block than see a bunch of stock looking GN's try and beat Julio :D Seems futile (till I roll up ;) ), but then again, I wont fit in your lil class here... :)

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Phil,
My rules were 3500 lbs, 109 block, 93 octane in the tank, drag radials.

You need weight to keep things sorta fair.. and keep the 274 guys from playing.. and allow the driver to do his thing.

I will assist in the tech of the class, i'll even fill up with everyone, use the same alky.. etc.. and then run my car into the numbers. I havent made my decision if I want to run in this class, as i'm after other goals..

As it is.. I have a tough number to crack.. and lb per lb the fastest 109 block car on pump gas in the country. If my car weighed TSM trim of 3450.. i'd be running 9's already. Do the math, the fastest 109 iron headed car is Roy's.. add 400 lbs to Roy's car what would it run? I'll be running 2-3 tenths faster by end of Feb.. trying for that 9..

So game on... these are numbers from last Sat.. temp was 80 degree's. On pump gas and slicks.

1.585
4.493
6.905
103.60
9.011
10.758
128.66

1.490
4.375
6.779
103.81
8.887
10.652
124.51

1.562
4.504
6.931
100.99
9.036
10.807
123.79

1.440
4.360
6.804
100.17
8.930
10.722
122.49

Wait till I really turn it up :wink:

Glad I dont write the rules.. we'd be seeing 9.50's on pump gas with a 109. :biggrin:
 
I would like to see a class like this at Indy as well. I won't be in Bowling Green this year. Cost me $240 bux to race two days and spectator passes for my wife for four days. Highway robbery...And I'm not paying it any longer.
 
STP said:
I would like to see a class like this at Indy as well. I won't be in Bowling Green this year. Cost me $240 bux to race two days and spectator passes for my wife for four days. Highway robbery...And I'm not paying it any longer.

Youre a cheap bastard dude.Youre raking it in with a shovel and bitch about $240.Thats ****ed up right there.Do you still have the first $$$'s you earned as well??;)
 
No, not the first dollar. Lasseter got that one....It is a fun event, but not worth the money IMO. Especially when I can go to Indy and race for half that at a nicer track.
 
Sounds like an interesting class. Could be fun, but I'd have a hard time parting with my C-16. I don't know, may be a good excuse to tune the alky finally. :)
 
Razor said:
The rules move over from the other class rules. I was able to get them to add the 16 inch designation.. past that.. we'll see after the event of others that may want larger rims.. and the issues of having a larger contact patch.. Guess its to try and keep everyone similar.. whether beneficial or not. And keep tire sizes down as well. I was suprissed they allowed slicks on a street car class... thats ok.. plenty of wheels and tires for sale.

Razor,

The Turbo Alcohol Rules for the GS Nationals have been revised. I've included the newly revised rules below. The official 2006 rules can be seen on the GS Nationals Website. Thanks for your help in promoting the new class, I hope we have enough cars to keep this race class alive for 2007.

Thanks,

James West

2006 Turbo/Alcohol Injection Class Rules – T/A
Official 01-20-06

Race Class Objectives

The Grand Sport Club of America would like to see the return of a reasonable, grassroots, regular-guy shootout of legitimate street driven Turbo Buick or Pontiac Turbo Tran-Am cars. This race class is being developed to show the potential/benefits that alcohol injection systems when used with 92/93 octane unleaded premium pump gas can have when installed on a Buick Turbo Regal, Grand National/GNX or Pontiac Turbo Trans-Am.
*This race class is being run on a trial basis for the 2006 GS Nationals only and may become a regular class thereafter.

What Can I Win

The first award will be presented to the entrant that posts the most consistent e.t. based on an average of the best two (2) out of three (3) quarter-mile passes. The second award be given to the entrant who posts the quickest quarter-mile elapsed time (e.t.) and the third award will be presented to the entrant who posts the fastest quarter-mile per-hour trap speed. In the event of a tie in average e.t., average mph will be used as a tie-breaker. Entrants will make a minimum of three (3) and a maximum of five (5) official passes during the event.

General Rules

•All cars racing in the Turbo Heads-Up racing classes must be owned and driven by a current member of the Grand Sport Club of America.
•Unleaded 92/93 octane pump gasoline fuel only, no nitrous oxide injection, no additives, i.e. xzylene, nitro-propane, nitro-methane, propylene oxide, etc.
•Any street driven 1984, 1985, 1986 or 1987 Buick Turbo Regal, Grand National/GNX or 1989 Pontiac Turbo Trans-Am powered by a General Motors production turbo charged Buick V6 engine, (cylinder block casting number(s) 25520040, 25520329 or 25526109 only) and equipped with a functioning alcohol injection system are eligible to enter.
•No Stage II steel or aluminum cylinder heads allowed.
•***All vehicles depending on the year of manufacture must use the factory stock ignition system.
•Helmet required, cars must pass track safety tech inspection.
•Cars should possess all applicable safety equipment for potential ET/speeds attained.
•No peer technical inspections relating to safety equipment rules by class participants or peers, Beech Bend Raceway track safety technician personnel will make all rulings on track safety equipment related items.
•Complete factory stock appearing, painted Buick Turbo Regal, Grand National/GNX or Pontiac Turbo Trans-Am body is required, no non-factory hood scoop, rear spoiler, wheelie bars or parachute.
•Minimum car weight w/driver must be at least 3,500lbs.
•Required street-legal equipment: all 4 working headlights, taillights, brake lights, turn signals, horn, windshield wipers and safety-glass windows.
•Full stock appearing interior required, race seats are allowed only if seats are painted and upholstered to match the factory interior and should be attached to the rear crossbar of the roll cage if so equipped.
•Any transmission shifter allowed, any additional aftermarket gauges allowed.
•Stock ECM or modified stock ECM only, no aftermarket fuel management systems allowed, (DFI, FAST, Motec, speed density, etc).
•Any MAF sensor is acceptable. All intake air must pass through & be measured by the MAF sensor.
•Factory Stock Appearing (Type I or Type II) DIS cam position sensor is required for cars produced in the years 1986, 1987 and 1989.
•No individual coil per spark plug ignitions allowed.
•Any fuel injectors allowed, 6 maximum.
•Factory stock fuel tank required, addition of a fuel tank sump is allowed.
•No auxiliary or trunk mounted dual fuel systems are allowed. The gasoline fuel source must come from the stock location fuel tank only.
•Alcohol injection system injection point must be plumbed into the air intake system “up-pipe” only on 1986, 1987 and 1989 built cars.
•Any stock location or front mount air to air intercooler is allowed.
•No liquid intercoolers, intercooler external spray cooling or add-on cold boxes allowed.
•One (1) TA series or TE series, 3-bolt turbo required. Maximum 67mm compressor wheel, inlet bore maximum 67.5mm. Must be in the stock location/orientation.
•Any diameter downpipe size from the turbo is allowed. Downpipe must be routed down through the stock location, no flex pipe allowed.
•Any single or dual exhaust system allowed, it must muffle & exit at the stock location(s). All exhaust gases released from the engine must pass through the muffler(s) at all times. Cars may not be uncorked in any way during competition.
•Any matched set of four (4), 15” or 16” diameter chrome steel or aluminum wheels allowed.
•Rear drag slicks w/sidewall designation up to and including 28.0” x 10.5” –15” and 28.0” x 10.0” -16”. No "W" tires allowed. Rear DOT street tires w/sidewall designation up to and including a 29.5” x 12.5” –15” or (275/60-15 M/T) and 28.0” x 12.5” –16” size tires are allowed. Drag Radials are also allowed.
•Drive shaft safety loop required.
•Automated brakes or any type of traction control is prohibited. Application and release of brakes must be a function of the driver's foot. Line loc permitted.
•Racing aids such as optical sensors, delay boxes, stutter boxes, and throttle stops are not allowed. The application or use of any device, mechanical or electronic that permits the driver to ascertain the position of their vehicle in relation to the starting line is prohibited.
•Winner(s) are subject to re-tech immediately after final pass or at any other time.
•Any entrant caught trying to deliberately break the rules will be disqualified.
•Cars entered in the Turbo Alcohol (T/A) class are also eligible and may register to race in the bracket classes on Saturday.

Pre-Race Technical Inspection Requirements/Instructions

All pre-registered entrant’s cars shall assemble as a group to be tech inspected based on the General Rules established above. The technical inspection location shall be at the GS Nationals host hotel parking lot on Thursday, May 18, 2006 beginning at 9:00 am and ending at 10:30 am. Entrant’s cars must arrive at tech inspection with the gasoline fuel tank at or near empty. Each entrant’s fuel tank must be able to accommodate a minimum of 10 gallons of 92/93 octane pump gas during the filling procedure. ***NOTE: Each entrant’s gasoline fuel tank must not contain ANY leaded racing fuel or additives such as xzylene, ect! See Race Day Format below. After the tech inspection, under the supervision of the Turbo/Alcohol Injection Class Tech Inspector all cars will be driven as a group or in groups to a designated gas station where each entrant’s fuel tank will be fueled with 92/93 octane unleaded premium pump gasoline at the entrant’s expense. After the tech inspection and fueling, entrants are free to proceed to the track to make as many quarter-mile passes as necessary to tune their cars prior to the first of the officially timed quarter-mile passes to be held on Friday evening, May 19th. Cars must weigh at least the minimum 3,500 lbs. w/driver prior to the start of the officially timed passes. Weigh-in time and place for the T/A class cars will announced at the tech inspection.
***NOTE: NO ADDITONAL GASOLINE FUEL MAY BE ADDED OR REMOVED FROM THE CAR’S FUEL SYSTEM BY ANY MEANS AFTER BEING FUELED AT THE TECH INSPECTION.

Race Day Event Technical Inspection Requirements/Instructions

Prior to the first round pass, all Turbo/Alcohol Injection Class entrants will assemble in the Beech Bend circle track staging lanes for a brief drivers meeting; each entrant’s alcohol injection system reservoir must be completely drained of all contents. At that time, the Turbo/Alcohol Injection Class Tech Inspection Director will witness each entrant fill their reservoir with alcohol i.e., methanol, isopropyl, denatured, etc. from a commercially available, marked, un-opened/sealed alcohol container. Alcohol injection system pump lubricant from a commercially marked, un-opened/sealed container may also be added at this time if needed. After the reservoir is filled, no further additions will be permitted during officially timed event quarter-mile passes. All cars must return directly to the circle track staging lanes after each pass. Failure to do so will result in disqualification from the event.

Race Day Format

Dragstrip race format will be random pairings of side-by-side runs on a 5/10ths sportsman tree. Driver lane choice will not be allowed. The Event Race Director reserves the right to conduct single-lane passes in the event of a condition that prevents the use of one lane. Following the completion of each run, competitors must return immediately and directly to the circle track staging lanes until all officially timed passes are complete and after their final pass. Entrants unable to complete all officially timed passes will be listed as DNF and any entrant returning to their pit area before the end of the event will be disqualified.

WARNING: ***Gasoline fuel samples will be taken at random from entrant’s fuel system during the timed runs and from the three top award winners and runner-up at the conclusion of racing event. These samples will be analyzed for lead content and octane rating. Any entrant’s gasoline sample found to contain lead or have an octane rating that is above rule specifications will be disqualified and will forfeit all awards.
 
James thanks for chiming in.

So to get this straight, no aluminum heads will be allowed.

The factory rear spoiler on most Turbo Trans Am's by now has rotted, the only option is a fiberglass one which goes against the above rules. So it must be factory appearing, i'm nit picking as I know certain issues must be addressed.

Are thumbwheel style chips allowed, as long as they retain the stock MAF? Ie, Caspers and MaxEffort..

The exhuast exiting stock location.. you mean it has to go out the rear of vehicle. Whether single tip or dual.

As asked, is it ok to use aftermarket wheels larger than 16 inch all the way around..this is a street class.. like 17 or 18 inch diameters. As long as they are not larger than the dimensions listed? And they all must be matching correct? So no or yes to mismatched wheels.

Thanks for the attention. Anyone else have a concern?

Julio
 
Razor said:
James thanks for chiming in.

So to get this straight, no aluminum heads will be allowed.

No, only BUICK Stage II heads are not allowed, you can run champion aluminum heads if you want.

The factory rear spoiler on most Turbo Trans Am's by now has rotted, the only option is a fiberglass one which goes against the above rules. So it must be factory appearing, i'm nit picking as I know certain issues must be addressed.

The rear spoiler whether it is factory original or an aftermarket replacement must be stock appearing.

Are thumbwheel style chips allowed, as long as they retain the stock MAF? Ie, Caspers and MaxEffort..

I see no reason why they would not be allowed, the rule for next year can be clarified to state that they are acceptable.

The exhuast exiting stock location.. you mean it has to go out the rear of vehicle. Whether single tip or dual.

It must exit in the stock location(s) whether it is on a TTA or a Buick Regal. If it exited at the edge of the rear bumper that is fine, like a Chevrolet Monte Carlo style system.

As asked, is it ok to use aftermarket wheels larger than 16 inch all the way around..this is a street class.. like 17 or 18 inch diameters. As long as they are not larger than the dimensions listed? And they all must be matching correct? So no or yes to mismatched wheels.

At least for 2006 they must conform to the written sizes listed and all four (4) wheels MUST match. We can discuss this rule for 2007 IF the class survives.

Thanks for the attention. Anyone else have a concern?

I see there is some concern regarding the available sizes of methanol containers. Let work this out, your suggestion to fill multiple cars for a new sealed container sounds okay. I am also not against making this a drag radial tire class only, I thought that allowing slicks would be better than limiting it to a single type of tire.

Julio


If anyone has any questions regarding the legality of their car against the written rules please contact me. Please don't show up to BG with a questionable part or combination and expect to race IF YOU ARE NOT LEGAL. Please take time to fully read the rules and get any questions answered before the event. The Turbo Alcohol class rules are set for 2006. The racers who come and compete in the class will have the most input to further rules changes in the years to come. Razer will playa big part in making this class happen, I look forward to working with him to get this class established and hope it will be a success.


Thanks,
 
THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JOIN IN ON THIS?

THANKS JD
 
JD,

Glad to see you are interested in the class. I've had the rules written for about 2 years now and just finally pitched it to the Buick Grand Sport Club of America's Event Director late last year and finally got the approval to try it out for 2006. Hopefully with your participation and input the class will become a yearly event, not only at BG but hopefully it will be run in a similar form at other Buick events also.

Thanks,

James


jdsgnx said:
THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JOIN IN ON THIS?

THANKS JD
 
I also am pretty jazzed up about this class!! I too would like to see it a drag radials only, this would make things more even. I do have one question for James West...the first set of rules said no tranny brakes, the second set say nothing about it...which is it? I see nothing wrong with allowing a mechanical tranny brake...especially since the TTA'a are a bitch to hold on the line with any decent amount of boost!
 
Joe,

The rules for 2006 are set. The rules regardnig the transmission brake not being allowed will stand as written for 2006. There was no rule change regarding the use of a tranny brake, it has always been in the rules and reads as follows;

"Automated brakes or any type of traction control is prohibited. Application and release of brakes must be a function of the driver's foot."

This rule along with the drag radial vs. slick rule can be discussed for a possible rules change for 2007. Again the guys that show up to race the class will have the most say in the changes to the rules for the following year, that is if the class becomes part of the regular program in 2007, which I hope it does.


turbov6joe said:
I also am pretty jazzed up about this class!! I too would like to see it a drag radials only, this would make things more even. I do have one question for James West...the first set of rules said no tranny brakes, the second set say nothing about it...which is it? I see nothing wrong with allowing a mechanical tranny brake...especially since the TTA'a are a bitch to hold on the line with any decent amount of boost!
 
IS IT TIME YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate the waiting game!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks JD :D :D :D
 
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