Grand National and GNX are returning!!

[williamsGN]

Keep telling yourself that.

I will, obviously the clue bus passed you by. Who do you think they built them for soccer moms

 

[ross87t]

I will, obviously the clue bus passed you by. Who do you think they built them for soccer moms

Our cars have just as many if not more seats than these new 4-doors will. G Bodies...not all of them were 2-door cars.

It amazes me how someone can complain about the "threat" of a newer, more refined, safer, better handling, faster version of a legend. This will be no "threat" to our beloved 80's Turbo Buicks. If anything, the new ones will increase people's interest in the older Turbo cars.

 

[turbo nasty]

Hope they are 2 door, has twin turbo v6, AWD w/strong trans, good brakes, great handling and comfortable seats and can bust a stock vettes ass....LOL

 

[pdzz]

Our cars have just as many if not more seats than these new 4-doors will. G Bodies...not all of them were 2-door cars.

It amazes me how someone can complain about the "threat" of a newer, more refined, safer, better handling, faster version of a legend. This will be no "threat" to our beloved 80's Turbo Buicks. If anything, the new ones will increase people's interest in the older Turbo cars.

A lot of discussion over a car they may not build... I don't think its a threat, but why call it a Grand National or T-type if the only thing that is going to be similar is the badging? Just call it something else...

 

[Rafs-T-Type]

A lot of discussion over a car they may not build... I don't think its a threat, but why call it a Grand National or T-type if the only thing that is going to be similar is the badging? Just call it something else...

Because people like to buy names. Look at the GTO. It looked like a cavalier, but people bought the name.

 

[Street Lethal]

Because people like to buy names. Look at the GTO. It looked like a cavalier, but people bought the name.

Agreed. I mean look at the new Dodge Dart Turbo, it shares absolutely nothing with the original Dart...

 

[TurboTGuy]

Agreed. I mean look at the new Dodge Dart Turbo, it shares absolutely nothing with the original Dart...quote]

Certainly doesn't.... it's an even BIGGER turd.

It amazes me how someone can complain about the "threat" of a newer, more refined, safer, better handling, faster version of a legend. This will be no "threat" to our beloved 80's Turbo Buicks. If anything, the new ones will increase people's interest in the older Turbo cars.

...........


..........or perhaps it will just perpetuate the "grandpa car" image for both genre.........

 

[jdpolzin]

http://www.insideline.com/buick/grand-national-gnx-and-t-type-are-returning-to-buick.html

FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If they plan to make it a freakin four door car that looks like a Caddy, put a Caddy emblem on it. If your going to make a Grand National, make a Grand National. Pontiac failed with the newer GTO's, why on Earth would Buick make the same fail? Make it two door, rear wheel drive V6 not the V8 and make all of them black! And make that V6 FAST!

If I wanted to buy a CTS, I'd buy a CTS. GM wonders why Ford is so successful right now. Why, becuase they made their Mustangs look like Mustangs and made them rip. then GM brings the Camaro out 7 years late in the game and in my opinion, they are ugly as sin. Although they do look similar to the old Camaros, which is cool, they need to make them look wider in the rear and have a killer stance, one thing Ford NAILED! I'm so tired of seeing CTS looking cars all over the place, getting really old.

Make the Grand National unique, thats the reason people bought them in the first place.

 

[TurboTGuy]

Pontiac failed with the newer GTO's, why on Earth would Buick make the same fail?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you............ The Rendezvous!

aka The Pontiac Aztec..... ugliest car EVER.

And Buick ate it right up...........

 

[jdpolzin]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you............ The Rendezvous!

aka The Pontiac Aztec..... ugliest car EVER.

And Buick ate it right up...........

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My wife drives that exact same car, same color and all!! LOL!!!! It is ugly as hell but she loves it!


Yes, if Buick follows Pontiacs shoes, they are wasting their time on this Grand National and will ultimately ruin the GN name, just like the fail of the GTO.

 

[turbo39151]

I agree that the GN should come back as more of a retro style like the challenger and mustang... The GTO was, in my eyes, an over powered grand am. The charger, well, it's ugly. I love the GN. I always have. If GM wants a hit, they'll lurk around here and get out input... 4 doors? I'm not so keen on it. My GN simply looks bad ass and goes really fast in a straight line.. The seats suck, the handling sucks, the braking sucks... But it's a GN, there are many like it but this one is mine... The legendary status follows it where ever I go. I rarely ever get challenged. Whether I'm a 12 second car or a 9 second car... No one knows. If GM makes this car true to the spirit of the original, it will sell.

I don't need another car but, I would be very interested in buying the new GN if it was a "real" GN and not some universal chassis with some gn badging.

 

[TexasT]

It will be two door or I wont own it. Cruising in my mom's car isn't what I am after. It doesn't have to be a sports car. It was a family car when first introduced and can be a hopped up version again.

It MUST be a Two door coupe for me to consider it. It must have rwd, it must have a decent back seat and trunk. And It MUST have pah!

Are you listening GM?

 

[mgmshar]

Just a point of reference, to throw a little gasoline on the 2-door vs. 4-door debate... Here is a complete list of 2011 global sales for Fiat/Chrysler. Check out Number 17 (Dodge Charger, the 4-door) and Number 27 (Dodge Challenger, the 2-door). I'm sure the powers-that-be at GM see this data, too.

Model Breakdown

1. Ram 1500-5500 - 310,368
2. Fiat UNO - 297,234
3. Fiat Punto - 283,248
4. Fiat Palio/ Siena/ Albea - 260,068
5. Fiat 500 - 190,875
6. Fiat Panda - 190,419
7. Dodge Grand Caravan - 164,291
8. Jeep Wrangler - 162,550
9. Jeep Grand Cherokee - 156,257
10. Fiat Strada - 126,535
11. Dodge Journey - 107,260
12. Chrysler Town & Country/ Grand Voyager - 103,383
13. Chrysler 200/ Sebring/ Cirrus - 96,972
14. Jeep Liberty/ Cherokee - 78,624
15. Fiat Doblo - 78,168
16. Fiat Ducato - 77,746
17. Dodge Charger - 77,309
18. Jeep Patriot - 74,717
19. Alfa Giulietta - 74,519
20. Dodge Avenger - 68,724
21. Jeep Compass - 61,382
22. Lancia Ypsilon - 60,266
23. Dodge Durango - 55,444
24. Fiat Linea - 53,643
25. Fiat Fiorino(Euro)/ Qubo - 49,288
26. Dodge Caliber - 45,889
27. Dodge Challenger - 42,627
28. Fiat Bravo - 41,817
29. Chrysler 300 - 40,558
30. Alfa MiTo - 38,010
31. Fiat Idea - 36,526
32. Dodge Nitro 26,972
33. Fiat Fiorino(S.Am) - 26,338
34. Lancia Delta - 17,639
35. Lancia Musa - 16,130
36. Fiat Freemont - 15,785
37. Ram Dakota - 13,754
38. Fiat Scudo - 12,909
39. Fiat Sedici - 12,537
40. Alfa 159/ Brera/ Spider - 8,916
41. Chrysler PT Cruiser - 2,390
42. Maserati GranCabrio/ GranTurismo - 2,105
43. Ferrari 458 - 1,368
44. Lancia Voyager - 1,149
45. Ferrari California - 866
46. Ram C/V - 840
47. Lancia Thema - 666
48. Fiat 600 - 511
49. Fiat Croma - 419
50. Chrysler Ypsilon - 342
51. Maserati Quattroporte - 310
52. Fiat Multipla - 300
53. Alfa 147/ GT - 295
54. Fiat Stilo - 251
55. Chrysler Delta - 234
56. Dodge Viper - 232
57. Ferrari 599 - 215
58. Ferrari FF - 198
59. Lancia Phedra - 167
60. Fiat Ulysse - 142
61. Jeep Commander - 105
62. Ferrari F430 - 26
63. Alfa 8C - 21
64. Ferrari 612 Scaglietti - 5

Time will tell if GM even does a GN, and how many doors it will have. It's all rumor and speculation until GM releases official information.

Honestly, from my personal perspective, I'm torn. The 2-door would undoubtedly look better and be more true to the original. However, in my current job, I often need to travel with co-workers or customers. Asking a customer who buys millions of dollars worth of product from my company to squeeze into the back seat of my 2-door muscle car could be a problem. So, I usually shop for 4-doors, at least for my daily driver.

Hmmm...

 

[TT/Ameasap]

Sorry, but anything Government Motors touches looks like crap. Dont bring back the GN . Let it live in the hearts of Americans that still own them. Why ruin such a great legacy.....
I can see it now... when they do decide to do this(which they will...because its another GM deathroll) you'll hear kids saying" I have a GN too." Websites and forums will be produced and a little section for the OLD gn's will be in the bottom corner.

 

[Street Lethal]

You guys are too funny. Everyone expects General Motors to hit a home run right out of the gate. Lest we forget that the original 1982 Grand National was a naturally aspirated Regal with a 4.1 V6 and 125 horsepower? Considering that is how the legacy of the infamous GNX was started and founded upon, I would think that an all Black 4-door Grand National sporting twin turbo's making 400-450 horsepower would be an excellent start for its' reintroduction.

 

[ross87t]

You guys are too funny. Everyone expects General Motors to hit a home run right out of the gate. Lest we forget that the original 1982 Grand National was a naturally aspirated Regal with a 4.1 V6 and 125 horsepower? Considering that is how the legacy of the infamous GNX was started and founded upon, I would think that an all Black 4-door Grand National sporting twin turbo's making 400-450 horsepower would be an excellent start for its' reintroduction.

Way to go and ruin this thread with a positive outlook, common sense and reasonable thinking.

 

[EVIL]

FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pontiac failed with the newer GTO's, why on Earth would Buick make the same fail?

I didn't like the new GTO's but what is considered a fail?
They did sell thousands of them.

D

 

[whitehot84]

You guys are too funny. Everyone expects General Motors to hit a home run right out of the gate. Lest we forget that the original 1982 Grand National was a naturally aspirated Regal with a 4.1 V6 and 125 horsepower? Considering that is how the legacy of the infamous GNX was started and founded upon, I would think that an all Black 4-door Grand National sporting twin turbo's making 400-450 horsepower would be an excellent start for its' reintroduction.

Agreed. Just don't put it in a cookie cutter body that looks like everything else out there. Once again, I think the retro look would be a real selling point. After all it was the last real muscle car.

 

[williamsGN]

Just a point of reference, to throw a little gasoline on the 2-door vs. 4-door debate... Here is a complete list of 2011 global sales for Fiat/Chrysler.

I'm sure the Neon and PT cruiser sold a lot... if they slapped a roadrunner nameplate on it, I wouldn't be buying one

Bringing back a car and have it look completely different is a big FAIL.
If they could do it right with the Mustang and Challenger, GM could at least try and get it right.. otherwise maybe Buick should be the next nameplate to expire !

If GM has a clue at all, they would be looking at this and other TR sites and seeing the feedback current owners have, otherwise who are they marketing it to ? Current Cadi owners, which the car is based on, aren't gonna want a Buick nameplate.

 

[MeanBuicks]

How's about they just call it a GS or Gran Sport? IMO, unless they're returning to NASCAR with this thing, the Grand National name isn't real appropriate but T-Type works.