TSM at BPG
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An RRA is something the GSCA came up with for their event. The BPG does not have RRAs nor a large group of race directors, it was their decision to go with (IIRC) one V8 race director and one V6 race director. If you have an issue with how the BPG ran their race, talk to the BPG.
The only issue with the TSM race was the final being re-run. The first time the final was run, Jason rolled through the beams causing the red eye and Phil motored on to the win. Regardless of how/why Jason red lit, once the lights are activated and the tree comes down, its an official race (Ever heard the phrase "That's Racing!"?) I was not there, but apparently the BPG (v6?) race director re-ran the race and only Jason showed. So why is a non-partial TSM RRA needed?
The only issue with the TSM race was the final being re-run. The first time the final was run, Jason rolled through the beams causing the red eye and Phil motored on to the win. Regardless of how/why Jason red lit, once the lights are activated and the tree comes down, its an official race (Ever heard the phrase "That's Racing!"?) I was not there, but apparently the BPG (v6?) race director re-ran the race and only Jason showed. So why is a non-partial TSM RRA needed?
well according to the track there was a equipment malfunction....and tire smoke triggered the second beam/bulb...starting the timer....Both drivers agreed to re-run the race...Phil agreed by proxy sending someone from his crew...we gave them 30 mins to cool down to re-run the race...Jason showed up and Phil did not...again sending a proxy saying he was not going to re-run...which led to Jason taking the lights and winning the race as Phil was a no show....TSM is held at the BPG event..The BPG has nothing to do with enforcing the TSM rules..setting the ladder pairing drivers etc....According to the Track rules if there is a timing equipment malfunction then the racers need to re-run...
The tire smoke thing happened quite a bit this weekend (Lighting bulbs before the cars approached), My thoughts are the starter should hold the cars for the 20 seconds it takes to clear the smoke before they approach.
Some tracks have fans blowing the smoke away...
I never saw Jason's stage light come on. Both cars did big smokey burnouts. At the time, there was no wind so the smoke drifted towards Jason's car. I couldn't even see his car from behind where I was standing. My take was Phil prestaged, the smoke triggered Jason's prestage light, Phil thought Jason was prestaged then staged himself, then the 7 second timer on the tree activated.
Scott, I do not know who told you that version but it is not what I saw. Give me a call when you get a chance and we can discuss this and some other stuff also.
Cheers, Kip
OK, so there was a technical issue and the track officials took care of it. Please explain your comment - to which I directed my question to earlier.
I mean C'mon - there were 5 cars there.
Just a Six??
OK! Who Farted??
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I'm not there for serious racing nor the prize $$$ but even the pro's like John Force ect. would race again "in case" there was a tree problem. Seems that would be the "proper" way to handle it? Make sure the Paying Spectators get a show! No need for a big issue? Race & see if you win because winning like that does not seem right to me?
Seriously, it's not like it's $25K for 1st place, it's more just bragging rights than anything so run the race & see if you beat him? Shake hands & Go for it!!
Seriously, it's not like it's $25K for 1st place, it's more just bragging rights than anything so run the race & see if you beat him? Shake hands & Go for it!!
because if there was one there then the they could of taken care of the heated situation that eventually boiled over..the person responsible for the TSM class could of made the ruling that both drivers would have to live with...not the track not the BPG making that call. the Track and BPG allow you to run your points series there....the decision could of been made of splitting the points and the pot and calling a draw...to redo the race or to let it stand...that is what I am saying.
Nope, I respectfully disagree. The track officials erred on letting the drivers into the beams during a 'smokey situation' and the drivers' erred by entering the said beams. The track allowed them to re-run the race, the BPG did not object (right?), and the drivers agreed to re-run the race. Both drivers have "lived with it" - Jason ran and won, Phil didn't and didn't.
The "pecking order" starts with the track owners/officials - it is their playground. Next is the people paying for the track rental - all racers play by the renter's schedules, procedures, appointed directors, etc. The person in charge of a class (sometimes me for TSM) can't make anyone do, or not do, anything against the racers' wishes.
TSM racing is for bragging rights - not fame or fortune. If some people cannot play nicely, they need to grow up. I for one, am not a babysitter. :biggrin:
THE WRAITH
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Spooled231
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Sean,
As a fellow TSM racer myself, even having a RRA present from the group or non partial RRA to make the decision either way to re-run the race or not does not change the outcome that someone is going to be upset of the final decision. I feel sad for both parties having to face the situation in both run's of the TSM final.
You mentioned in a previous post that "this event needed a non partial RRA that was not involved with any racer as other issues beside the cars needed to be resolved." What other issues needed to be resolved besides the cars?
John Martin
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Wrong. I have no such authority. I cannot stop someone from racing his car down the track when he or she paid for the right to do so.
You obviously do not understand the difference between class-specific rules and procedural issues.
For the TSM Point Series, the participants make the rules. We vote on them. I have previously told people that No, they cannot do something to their car and still be a legal TSM car/racer - even lost a friend over it cuz I wouldn't look the other way on an infraction.the wraith said:
I am of the opinion that your problem is your lack of understanding the differences as noted above. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though...
Scott if you were there then you could have made the call as to what should happen,,,after listening to the track personnel that saw Jason never moved after 1st bulb was lit and the fact that they had seen this before with diesel trucks and during the BPG event...if someone with authority of the TSM class could of made a ruling.... as it was left up to the track and the BPG we based our opinion on the track past experience...and Phil agreed to it by proxy...not once was he involved directly in the conversation...again if a director had been there....a ruling could of been made...win..redo..split what ever....in talking to numerous people in the last two days the NTR and BPG staff made the right call...if a director was there,,,the ensuing problem would not have occurred.... at this point I have people asking that TSM not be run next year...at the BPG event...as I am a V6 owner I am doing my darned best to make it happen in 2011...
You're a big boy - you/NTR made the correct call without my involvement. And didn't you say both racers agreed to a re-match?
I do not know of a way to stop the smoke from occurring, nor am I going to tell the NTR staff how to run a drag race.
V8Assassin
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Lack of involvement from the leadership is hurting this class like it or not.
If it is going to continue, serious changes need to be looked at...
If it is going to continue, serious changes need to be looked at...
scot w.
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Why would people be asking that?
That is one of the Most exciting classes to watch and packs the stands at BG!Just can't understand why people would ask that it not be run... Rediculous!