UNDER-PRESSURE
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Well said!!
Well said!!
WOW! Ive read pretty much all the posts and I know Im gonna get crap from thise but hopefully it will be intelligent commments and not some childish remarks.
First of all, I like Casper's and any company that does or makes aftermarket parts for our cars. Ive bought quite a few stuff from Caspers and used them successfully.
But also, the O2 simulator is intended to be used on OBDII vehicles that have their cats removed and is designed to trick the ecm/ecu/pcm or whatever you want to call it to think its seeing a good signal after the cat and not set the ses light on.
This is completely illegal and Casper's knows about it. So why make a product that is illegal and people use to defeat the ODBII system?
Also I know it does say "For off road use only" but most of the people who use this device, do not use it for "off road use only", its designed to keep the ses light off while your driving your vehicle like normal. This device yields no performance gains nor effiecency so why even make it or sell it?
Because people drive there vehicles without cats daily (illegal) and dont want to be bothered with the ses light on. So they try to defeat it.
So now come the "dump/test pipe" arguement. Okay so use your dump/test pipe for "off road use" and its legal. And if your using your vehicle for "off road only" ie a track, you probly dont care about the ses light being on. Thats fine. And in theory once you get back you "should" throw your cat back on and be done with it. But this never happens.
Now Im not a "tree hugger" or a hipocrit. I have plenty of mods that are smog "illegal" like most of us here but Im just trying to show you the other point of view since no one is arguing that.
FACT: They designed a product to defeat a OBDII smog system test and the SES light on which is completly illegal.
FACT: This product yeilds NO performance gains or engine effiecency.
FACT: "Other" companies mentioned DO NOT make this product or any other product that is designed to defeat OBDII Monitor systems (there might be a few but none that I know off)
FACT: Overall, this was a poor decision by this company to design,market this product and sell it.
And for comments like "dont they have drug user's to catch" or "criminals and rapist are on the loose", come on now, you seriously think that the CARB or EPA is out looking for drug dealers and rapist? Thats not there job so stop with the childish comments.
Im not for the EPA but I would like a healthier environment for our kids to grow up in and I know this isnt gonna solve global warming or pollution and yes there is hundreds of bigger things causing this but this company broken the law plain and simple. I wish them the best and hopefully they wont go under.
If I get pulled over tomorrow for speeding and Im going 56mph in a 55mph zone, I will just look at the officer, sign my ticket and be on my way after "Thanking" him for putting his life on the line to ensure that motorist are getting home safe. I know the speed limit is 55 and I broke the law, even if everyone else is going 100mph. I guess knowing right from wrong and doing the right thing when no one is looking, also know as Integrity was just instilled a little harder in me once I joined the Corps...... thats just my 2 cents.
You got it wrong my friend. I'm not going to cut you down or slam you for it though. I'll try to clear up a few things that may give you a clearer picture of what happened here. Many aftermarket exhaust products keep emissions within spec and some even improve them. Yes some high-performance exhaust systems out perform some stock systems emisision-wise as well as performance-wise. When these or any other system are installed on an OBDII vehicle the SES light often comes on due to the O2 sensors not reading IN SPEC. SPECs are derived from what the sensors should see with the stock parts. Any change even improvements in emissions will cause a SES light due to sensors reading out of spec. The computer will now tailor the fuel to put the car back IN SPEC, that means it will call for more fuel in most cases which will hurt emissions. Casper's never promoted the removal of catalytic coverters. Thier product was designed with CAT BACK systems in mind. This fine against them is the same as fining straw manufactors because people use them to snort cocaine with. Being a car nut I know the temptation to get all the performance you can get out of any part is hard to resist but if I'm stopped and cited for not having a CAT that should be my problem not Casper's Electonics'. Of course lots of people used them and removed the CAT converters but how can you honestly say that the actions of those people are the responsibility of Casper's? How many of us have received speeding tickets? Was it our fault, after all the makers of the cars designed them to go much faster than the legal speedlimit. Try using that defence in traffic court and see what you are told. The EPA made an EXAMPLE out of him. They didn't care if they were right or wrong. They made it to where he couldn't afford to get the case to court!!!! His argument was undeniable. They strong armed him into the situation he now faces.
You got it wrong my friend. I'm not going to cut you down or slam you for it though. I'll try to clear up a few things that may give you a clearer picture of what happened here. Many aftermarket exhaust products keep emissions within spec and some even improve them. Yes some high-performance exhaust systems out perform some stock systems emisision-wise as well as performance-wise. When these or any other system are installed on an OBDII vehicle the SES light often comes on due to the O2 sensors not reading IN SPEC. SPECs are derived from what the sensors should see with the stock parts. Any change even improvements in emissions will cause a SES light due to sensors reading out of spec. The computer will now tailor the fuel to put the car back IN SPEC, that means it will call for more fuel in most cases which will hurt emissions. Casper's never promoted the removal of catalytic coverters. Thier product was designed with CAT BACK systems in mind. This fine against them is the same as fining straw manufactors because people use them to snort cocaine with. Being a car nut I know the temptation to get all the performance you can get out of any part is hard to resist but if I'm stopped and cited for not having a CAT that should be my problem not Casper's Electonics'. Of course lots of people used them and removed the CAT converters but how can you honestly say that the actions of those people are the responsibility of Casper's? How many of us have received speeding tickets? Was it our fault, after all the makers of the cars designed them to go much faster than the legal speedlimit. Try using that defence in traffic court and see what you are told. The EPA made an EXAMPLE out of him. They didn't care if they were right or wrong. They made it to where he couldn't afford to get the case to court!!!! His argument was undeniable. They strong armed him into the situation he now faces.
Well said and thanks for having an intelligent comment. But there is a few things on which we dissagree.
You got it wrong my friend. I'm not going to cut you down or slam you for it though. I'll try to clear up a few things that may give you a clearer picture of what happened here. Many aftermarket exhaust products keep emissions within spec and some even improve them. Yes some high-performance exhaust systems out perform some stock systems emission-wise as well as performance-wise. When these or any other system are installed on an OBDII vehicle the SES light often comes on due to the O2 sensors not reading IN SPEC. SPECs are derived from what the sensors should see with the stock parts. Any change even improvements in emissions will cause a SES light due to sensors reading out of spec. The computer will now tailor the fuel to put the car back IN SPEC, that means it will call for more fuel in most cases which will hurt emissions. Casper's never promoted the removal of catalytic coverters. Their product was designed with CAT BACK systems in mind. This fine against them is the same as fining straw manufactures because people use them to snort cocaine with. Being a car nut I know the temptation to get all the performance you can get out of any part is hard to resist but if I'm stopped and cited for not having a CAT that should be my problem not Casper's Electronics'. Of course lots of people used them and removed the CAT converters but how can you honestly say that the actions of those people are the responsibility of Casper's? How many of us have received speeding tickets? Was it our fault, after all the makers of the cars designed them to go much faster than the legal speed limit. Try using that defense in traffic court and see what you are told. The EPA made an EXAMPLE out of him. They didn't care if they were right or wrong. They made it to where he couldn't afford to get the case to court!!!! His argument was undeniable. They strong armed him into the situation he now faces.
The EPA made an EXAMPLE out of him. They didn't care if they were right or wrong.
UNDER-PRESSURE said:The Holley's & Edelbrock's spend the money to research, develop, test & get emissions approval on products for late model vehicle's.
Just to set the record straight, and further explain the function of the O2 SIM:
The product was designed to turn off the SES light when an aftermarket component was put on an OBD II car; be it a "cat back" system, long tube headers, high flow cat, or other such component. The code was most certainly set on many vehicles when these components were installed, but not on all vehicles. The earlier OBDII cars were more tolerant to aftermarket components, but the later cars were not. The slightest change in the OEM system would set a code.
That was the original intent of the product, and it was sold, marketed and distributed as such, with an OFF ROAD USE ONLY disclaimer. Unfortunately for Caspers, the product was so broadly designed that you could remove the cats on certain vehicles; not imports though. The imports required a fully functional EPA certified cat and cat-back system for the SIM to function properly, otherwise the SES light would be on. And, the biggest problem of all is that the vehicle in many cases tries to correct the SES code condition by increasing the fuel to the mix, resulting in poor gas mileage and more pollution. So, the O2 SIM would prevent that condition...but I was not successful in convincing the EPA that this anamoly created an absolute need for the product. I could not fight any longer.
On the lighter side, did you know that it is illegal to replace or upgrade your injectors, per EPA regulations? That's the next move on their part, just watch.
The next several months will get very interesting in the aftermarket. Stay tuned...
just throwing this out there. I gutted the cat, had headers, and magnaflow exhaust on my 86 tpi camaro with 350 ported and polished heads , bigger cam ,a stock chip 305 computer, stock 305 injectors, no ses light except for the freakin EGR occasionally which I never did figure out after replaacing every single egr component. Oh my car only had track use