New System

[Turbo1dr]

This forum is all Razor Alky kit, no need for me to say anything about new Alky technology thats out. Why remake the wheel. Keep an eye out for my tail lights.

Oh my...you've stepped on sacred grounds. Be prepared to fight!

 

[WiskeyJack]

No Sh*%&

Oh my...you've stepped on sacred grounds. Be prepared to fight!

My I don't even know the web site Yes it's coolingmist.com I do apologize. And it really is a innovative product and do look forward to getting it installed.

 

[Mr.Spool]

whiskyjack,you sound grumpy.my intention in this thread was not to attack you,so you should not be so defensive.it sounds like you are into the new stuff,which is cool,to each their own.it takes quite a bit of money and time to go 7 or 8 seconds and is not for everyone.there are many including myself that look at the downsides of going faster and don't want to go that route.there are those that push and push and those that stop.many different flavors out there,some like vanilla some like strawberry some like both isn't that okay?there are many smart individuals on this board,i would like to see them hang around.the last thing the buick community needs is to fight amongst themselves its not like were growing in numbers!

 

[WiskeyJack]

I agree

I agree Whiskey. If your intent is to share the wealth of info, then do so. People tend to get irritated when a forearm is rubbed in their face. Leave the little jabs out and come with just facts and info and you would be better received. What your doing is a mix of chewing broken glass and washing it down with Whiskey. I am game to listen if your game to present it properly.

Sometimes you just gota eat some glass to have people listen to ya or other voices drowned you out. I've had some real knock down drag out battles on the other forum. Don't like it when people try to talk louder than me to stop me from saying something.:wink:

 

[WiskeyJack]

Agreed

WiskeyJack,you sound grumpy.my intention in this thread was not to attack you,so you should not be so defensive.it sounds like you are into the new stuff,which is cool,to each their own.it takes quite a bit of money and time to go 7 or 8 seconds and is not for everyone.there are many including myself that look at the downsides of going faster and don't want to go that route.there are those that push and push and those that stop.many different flavors out there,some like vanilla some like strawberry some like both isn't that Kay?there are many smart individuals on this board,i would like to see them hang around.the last thing the Buick community needs is to fight among st themselves its not like were growing in numbers!

It's all in fun. I stopped at the 61 and I'm happy with my cars performance at the moment. The motor was built to run 10's but happy with 11's and not pushing anything beyond the breaking point one reason I run small tires I'd rather blow the tires away than loose an axle or tranny, The car is fun on the street and is consistent. I really do realize in the world of Buick's mine is small fish but is quick as most all are. I go on the defensive from attacks gotten on another site. Anyway My Alky system now is a frankinspray a bunch of parts from different vendors so I like the CoolingMist controller as it is programmable and needed a system so I bought the new S-HSV and think others would like to read on it. I have no financial involvement with this company and don't have any issues with other company's just spreading the information.

 

[Turbo1dr]

Sometimes you just gota eat some glass to have people listen to ya or other voices drowned you out. I've had some real knock down drag out battles on the other forum. Don't like it when people try to talk louder than me to stop me from saying something.:wink:

I've found out that on this site (and others) you can't express your opinions about something without a flock of people jumping in protecting someone or something that's more popular. Lot's of followers and very little leaders...aka..."scientists".

 

[Mr.Spool]

whiskeyjack,thats cool.i hear you on the potential breakage of parts.my car likes trannies,but how those stock axles live on 1.5 60's i'll never know.one thing i am certain of is we all have plenty of passion!

 

[Razor]

Frank, seems to me you never did get any track or dyno data on what you had before that you touted as working great.. simply it appears to be wonderful.. then now a new system changes in the car and it becomes the latest and greatest.. and still no data to support whether the new setup actually performs any benefit except financial to coolingmist.

There is no majic to injection... and until proven otherwise, the current technology available gets the job done. Having NASA design a 1 GHZ processor to run some solenoids, valves, injectors, etc.. doesnt provide any additional benefit except complications in setup and tuning.

So.. next there will be a wiz bang crystal ball rotating kneuter valve made by ABC.com on the net that will spray particulates of alky... and it will even power the space shuttle.. after energizing its flux capacitor.. this will then be the greatest.. Without data.. modifications are meaningless... and with a Buick.. you end up with a 14 second POS with a zillion dollars in it.

I have data to support current technology. I welcome further research as it benefits everyone.. until there is before and afters to substantiate change.. things stay as they are... unless your looking at marketing angles trying to generate business based on should/could/would.. then electric superchargers, tornado's, turbo timers, cyro systems, neaon lights, 6 inch mufflers, wings, etc.. all become the fad.

So... show us the money.. meaning put some data(horsepower) up.. until then.. its gizmo hog wash

 

[KEVINS]

Being realistic: I see no data to say it's worth .01 of my $$.

Pictures are cheap, show results and maybe a comparison between different kits..

ks

 

[WiskeyJack]

Here we go again

I wanted to get rid of your pump as it's two years old and has it's second set of valves in it as the first set swelled up and the pump wouldn't work remember :tongue: (I still have the box you sent them in and the old valves sittihg right here on top of my computer desk) and it does not have the pressure regulator on top as new pumps do (I have that in a box also never put it on) The controller which is a coolingmist vari cool works great no problem. I will be giving that old coolingmist controller to my son for his turbo ford.
I now have a complete system from one manufacturer and I remember you banging me over the fact my system was just that a bunch of mismatched parts now I buy a whole system and your banging me again. Are you done or you going to keep it up.
I think it's wrong for a forum tech adviser to be bad mouthing a system he didn't build and probably knows little about as I have one of the first sold. Maybe you should change your title to well you figure it out. Oh by the way how much $$$$ you got in your car. What a joke. And I don't have a 14 second car,--- my bad my Grand Marquise is.

 

[coolingmist]

Being realistic: I see no data to say it's worth .01 of my $$.

Pictures are cheap, show results and maybe a comparison between different kits..

ks

we are not vendors on this site, so feel free to delete if we broke any rules. As I read through this thread, there is alot of mis-understanding (which is understandable) and of course critic from another manufacturer. There is absolutely nothing complicated to set this up. Infact its easier to install than most other kits on the market. Tuning is very simple and scalable. Faster is always better, we should all agree on that. If a system is 10 times faster or 100 times faster and more precise its better. Its just a simple fact. I am not here to bash anyone and I am open to dialog and any questions about the technology. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Here is a video comparison against our closest competitor. The link is at the bottom of this page: Our kit is on the right. You can see that our system is much sharper, Much faster to start, respond and insanely faster to stop. Its up to the customer to decide how much performance they want.


info

videos

 

[Grumpy]

well my favorite ... I am from Missouri "SHOW ME" never mind flappin the jaws.. just "DO IT" .. I asked about others using this "system" for street and racing ... other than 1 person all I heard was "cricket's"
I like real world results at the track .... never mind the woulda, shoulda, and coulda's soooooooo BRING IT ON ... TRACKS ARE OPEN

 

[Blazer406]

well my favorite ... I am from Missouri "SHOW ME" never mind flappin the jaws.. just "DO IT" .. I asked about others using this "system" for street and racing ... other than 1 person all I heard was "cricket's"
I like real world results at the track .... never mind the woulda, shoulda, and coulda's soooooooo BRING IT ON ... TRACKS ARE OPEN

Grumpy.... you are so reserved.... tell us what you really think...... You need to come out of your shell.....:biggrin:

 

[WiskeyJack]

Grump

well my favorite ... I am from Missouri "SHOW ME" never mind flappin the jaws.. just "DO IT" .. I asked about others using this "system" for street and racing ... other than 1 person all I heard was "cricket's"
I like real world results at the track .... never mind the woulda, shoulda, and coulda's soooooooo BRING IT ON ... TRACKS ARE OPEN

Not all of us are out to grenade our motors. Truthfully if i want to race I have TT race chip for race gas in the glove box much safer than any alky system. I believe you know mine will run with the best and I'm not the type to Blow Smoke. I didn't get an answer on how much flappy had in his car give me the same amount and I'll beat him. I have a house payment and kids still at home with bills out my butt and have already refinanced the house and used up my 401K on this car and thats enough. Like I said get me the same amount he has in his car and I;ll build a car that will beat him NO SMOKE OR MIRRORS
Now I'm out of here Have fun guys Oh say a prayer fo me Juilo ------- Thanks Elvis has left the building

 

[Mr.Spool]

did nobody read my post above?this is exactly what i was speaking about.coolingmist i can appreciate you have a lot of pride in your work,but as i check your links,all i see is basically how you compare and try to demonstrate how your stuff is superior.been playin with this alky stuff for a while now and i can tell you more is not always better!razor too has alot of pride and has come up with a high quality system as well,and his horses all run fast!i definatly agree with grumpy up there if you want to say your the best it's up to you to prove that.

 

[coolingmist]

did nobody read my post above?this is exactly what i was speaking about.coolingmist i can appreciate you have a lot of pride in your work,but as i check your links,all i see is basically how you compare and try to demonstrate how your stuff is superior.been playin with this alky stuff for a while now and i can tell you more is not always better!razor too has alot of pride and has come up with a high quality system as well,and his horses all run fast!i definatly agree with grumpy up there if you want to say your the best it's up to you to prove that.

And what is wrong with demonstrating on why ours is better? We put alot engineering and money into our systems. We stated nothing more than the facts. I see car commercials every day between Toyota and ford (tundra vs F150), hyundia vs lexus and landrover, etc. This should not be anything any different.


I am not telling any of you to sell your kits and buy ours, but its important that the customer has an understanding of what they are purchasing, we are the only company I know of that has hardcore data, many video graphs showing how our systems perform.

I would never say that other systems dont get you horsepower, etc. Every company has there systems on fast cars. Many like what we have done, and I will never appologize for it. Thanks again.

CM

 

[Mr.Spool]

as very good friend of mine once told me after my buick ate the built trannie,everything mechanical will fail.there should be a sign above this thread=check your feeling at the door.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

Read the coolingmist site- interesting info. But no supporting info, other than vidoes of nozzles spraying, and some graphs.

Used to have the original SMC alky kit- currently run with Razor's kit. Both good. Having the alky system flash on at a programmed boost level doesn't sound too not to me, especially from a tuning standpoint. With my tune, I prefer to have the alky come in gradually, as it's much easier to scale back fuel/scale up alky & timing to meet my target AFR.

As said earlier, what engenders alkycontrol to so many is Razor- he gives good advice, offers a proven product, and walks the talk- damage and all. I hear you flapping your gums, and your sig has a fine list of parts- but nothing more. Lots of talk, but no supporting data.

Wisky, seems you've got a chip on your shoulder that just won't quit- almost to the point of being juvenile/infantile. Don't care about your personal demons, as we all have them. Sounds like just another excuse. Based on your posts and responses, if I were in the market for an alky system, I'd steer away from coolingmist- because you're a poor representative.

 

[Mr.Spool]

i will tell you why.toyota compares it's truck the the f150 in head to head testing on almost even and comparable groud.coolingmist you come on a buick site and say you're the best.however you and razor are comparing on not even near the same ground.example you have a video he has lot's of buicks running real fast on a track.in my opinion, if you want to be the best you have to make a buick go fast,because thats what this board is.please,there is no need to apoligize im not making this personal,i like facts as well.

 

[coolingmist]

i will tell you why.toyota compares it's truck the the f150 in head to head testing on almost even and comparable groud.coolingmist you come on a buick site and say you're the best.however you and razor are comparing on not even near the same ground.example you have a video he has lot's of buicks running real fast on a track.in my opinion, if you want to be the best you have to make a buick go fast,because thats what this board is.please,there is no need to apoligize im not making this personal,i like facts as well.

Im not coming on here to say we are the best. I would be more than happy for you to decide what is "best". We discuss the technical details of the kits and what makes them different.

I believe the driver makes the buick go fast, the kit supports the driver.

Good luck and thanks.