I am not sure what the TSL guys are running for a turbo...good point I will look it up. I do see the top guys in TSM are running high 8s say 8.90s at about 150. Their 60' are great too, at 1.30 average. All that is doable with 1000hp at the crank. Which is prob 880Hp at the tire. I am looking to a position like TSL I suppose, that can make a couple hundred more than TSM yet a couple hundred less than the top TSO guys are making. I bet TSO cars are pushing 1300 at the tire, but they are running some BIG exhaust wheels to do so. Why? well with a slight larger turbo than I have now I think I can still have decent spool and run 8.60s with a high 1.3X at that. My car would still be FUN to me but yet be dam competitive with a lot of cars. That is the essence of a turbo Buick V6, tame, quiet, and set to kill.