NO2 question, anybody seen this thing?

Well think about it this way...N2O is compressed when it's in the bottle.

All Nitrous systems have their own way of controlling fuel...This is a dry kit, so it would have to interface with the injectors somehow.

Wet Kits, just have their own fuel nozzle right with the N2O nozzle.
 
I'm familiar with that much of it...

My main concern is what would happen since its spraying before the turbo..
 
Well like I said it's compressed in the bottle so I think it would be fine.
 
But I think the people that put the nozzle in the up pipe have the same problem...I don't think putting the nozzle in the Air filter will be any more dangerious.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the idea of using nitrous on a turbocharged engine, I just don't think this would much more hazardous then any other system.
 
I have posted this question on a few boards, so far I think I am going to try it, however I am installing my propane, wiring up all my gauges, rebuilding my front end, and getting a stage 5 remapping before I try this thing.:cool:
 
Originally posted by GTABurnout
Nitrous Back fire....
Hurt the turbo??


Not only the turbo but would blow the intercooler to shreds, I would'nt use it if I got it for free.
 
Im interested in this as well. I think itll go BOOM but ill be keeping my fingers crossed for you.
 
Why would it go boom sprayed before the turbo compared to after? Please don't answer, because it won't. The only explosion danger with nitrous alone is when a nitrous bottle blows, because the bottle pressure becomes too high and the vent tube malfunctions. No spark sets it off. Nitrous needs fuel to let the FUEL ignite. Too much fast and furious watching going on:rolleyes: .

Now for some decent info. I pretty much guarantee that this is just a cone filter with a nozzle stuck on the end. Off course it will draw more air because it becomes a venturi. It can draw air by itself, but it cannot compress it when nos is injected. For a turbo, you will not see a difference (except for the nos itself) in the boost pressure by the venturi effect as long as the air filter already had plenty of fresh air to draw from. This is because the air amplifier cannot compress more air into the turbo. The one thing you do lose on is the turbo robbing all cooling ability of the nos. You'd be better off with shot after the turbo keep the air charge cool. If you already have a cone filter, stick a nozzle in it and you saved yourself from buying just another filter. If you would like to read up on a better air amplifier go here:
http://www.airamplifier.com/airamplifier/aa_page.htm
but again, you probably won't see any benefit to a turbo unless your air inlet is located in a bad area.
 
BTW, the Zex amplifier and the Exair amplifier do not exactly work the same. The Exair uses a precision machined body to create a vacuum on one side of the tube. The Zex probably just dumps nos in the center and pulls a little air with it from the sides (filter element). The Exair would be much better.
 
This is the best post I have seen in regaurds to this question, It was posted by Slaab, on HTTP://SaabLink.net. It does mirror alot of the advice here. I think It will be about Oct, before I try it. Also it may just be cheaper to mod my current K&N with a nozzle.

How nitrous works

Nitrous oxide is an oxygen bearing compound. Its chemical designator is N2O, so we know each nitrous oxygen molecule has two nitrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Nitrous oxide is sometimes incorrectly known as "NOS". That is an acronym for the company, Nitrous Oxide Systems, which is the largest marketer of nitrous oxide injections system for automotive use.

Injection of nitrous oxide into the combustion chambers of an internal combustion engine as a way to increase power output was discovered by the German air craft industry early in the Second World War. Thousands of German figher and reconassance aircraft were equipped with the so-called "GM-1" system which added nitrous oxide to the intake charge to compensate for reduced air density and less oxygen high altitude. The British Royal Air Force also used aircraft engines with performance enhanced by nitrous oxide. Interestingly, there was no use of nitrous oxide injection by the American military air forces other than very limited experimental use. It is interesting to ask oneself that, if nitrous oxide injection was so dangerous to an engine's reliability, why would so many airplanes have used it?

In this country during 1950s the famed stock car racer Smokey Yunick rediscoverd nitrous oxide injection as one of his many schemes for winning races until discovered and outlawed by NASCAR. Neverthesless, there have been several nitrous oxide cheating scandals in NASCAR over the years and it is probably still used today by the slowest of backmarkers. In the late-70s/early-80s nitrous oxide was "rediscovered" by drag racers and hot rodders.

Today nitrous oxide injection, like many other modifications such as more aggressive camshafts, bigger carburetors, higher compression ratios, more free flowing intake and exhaust systems, can be a pracitical way to more horsepower. And..like any other modification...perhaps even more so because it so easily lends itself to misuse...there can be a reliabity and durability price to pay.

Nitrous oxide is a colorless, non-flammable gas. It has a slightly sweet taste and odor. It is non-toxic and non-irritating and when inhaled in small quantitites can produce mild hysteria and giggling or laughter. This is were the nickname "laughing gas" comes form. When inhaled in pure form it will cause death by asphyxiation because at atmospheric temperatures and pressure, the oxygen in nitrous oxide is not available to the body.

A property of nitrous oxide is that at about 565 degrees F., it breaks down into nitrogen and oxygen. When it is introduced into the intake tract of an internal combustion engine, it is sucked into the combustion chamber and, on the compression stroke, when the charge air temperature reachs 565 deg., a very oxygen-rich mixture results. If we add extra fuel during nitrous oxide injection, the effect is like a super charger or increasing the compression ratio of the engine. Automotive nitrous systems work like the automotive eqivalent of a jet's "afterburner" and is used for short duration extra bursts of power.

Nitrous oxide has this effect because it has a higher percentage of oxygen content than does the air in the atmosphere. Nitrous has 36% oxygen by weight and the atmosphere has 23%. Additionally, nitrous oxide is 50% more dense than air at the same pressure. Thus, a cubic foot of nitrous oxide contains 2.3 times as much oxygen as a cubic foot of air. Just do a bit of math in your head and you can see if we substitute some nitrous oxide for some of the air going into an engine than add the appropriate amount of additional fuel, the engine is going to put out more power.

Simply stated, nitrous oxide injection is very much like a supercharger or a compression ratio increase in that, during combustion, it can dramatically increase the dynamic cylinder pressure in the engine.

Of course, when we significantly increase the cylinder pressure in the engine, we also increase the engine's tendancy to detonate. This is why almost all nitrous motors require retarded spark timing during nitrous oxide operation. The cylinder pressure increase is also why, when misused or improperly installed, operation with nitrous causes problems with head gasket seal and failures of the rings or pistons. I should point out that any number of things that put an engine into severe detonation, such as too much boost from a supercharger, low octane fuel, excessive compression ratio or overly lean air-fuel ratio will also cause the same kinds of damage.

Another challenge with a nitrous oxide system is getting the delivery of nitrous oxide and additinonal fuel at the correct proportions. If you feed nitrous to the engine without enough extra fuel, the lean air/nitrous to fuel mixture will make the detonation problem even worse. Combustion temperatures will skyrocket and catistropic failure is certain to occur (ie. stuff melts). If the proportion is such that too much fuel is delivered, the power advantage degrades rapidly.

As you can see, nitrous oxide is like any other power increasing modification in that, when used wisely and installed properly, it works well. Then used foolishy or installed incorectly it can significantly reduced the reliability/durability of your engine.

Small doses of nitrous oxide can be used in stock engines to gain 25-35% more power. In my opinion, any more than nitrous than that with a stock engine compromises durability too much. This is not only true of nitrous but any modification. Take a stock 82 or 84 engine, up the horsepower to 300hp and do nothing to improve durability and your engine will eventually suffer. Once you pass the 35% power increase mark with nitrous oxide you need to look at things like forged pistons, better connectiing rods, better bearings, etc.

Nitrous oxide is also a great value on a dollar-per-unit-power increase when installed and operated properly. The downside, of course, is the fun ends quiclky. The power boost lasts as long as the nitrous. The average bottle is a 20 pounder and with a street V8 that might be worth 20 seconds of use.

So, nitrous oxide is not the instant-engine-failure many people think it is. When used properly and when dispensed by a properly designed and installed system nitrous oxide can be responsible for some phenominal increases in power.
 
Originally posted by Dubwho
Why would it go boom sprayed before the turbo compared to after? Please don't answer, because it won't. The only explosion danger with nitrous alone is when a nitrous bottle blows, because the bottle pressure becomes too high and the vent tube malfunctions. No spark sets it off. Nitrous needs fuel to let the FUEL ignite. Too much fast and furious watching going on:rolleyes: .

Now for some decent info. I pretty much guarantee that this is just a cone filter with a nozzle stuck on the end. Off course it will draw more air because it becomes a venturi. It can draw air by itself, but it cannot compress it when nos is injected. For a turbo, you will not see a difference (except for the nos itself) in the boost pressure by the venturi effect as long as the air filter already had plenty of fresh air to draw from. This is because the air amplifier cannot compress more air into the turbo. The one thing you do lose on is the turbo robbing all cooling ability of the nos. You'd be better off with shot after the turbo keep the air charge cool. If you already have a cone filter, stick a nozzle in it and you saved yourself from buying just another filter. If you would like to read up on a better air amplifier go here:
http://www.airamplifier.com/airamplifier/aa_page.htm
but again, you probably won't see any benefit to a turbo unless your air inlet is located in a bad area.


A backfire can sometimes push unburnt fuel or fuel sprayed before the vavles, which is most fi systems. On a n/a engine no big deal but add nitrous and it makes a mess. Saw it happen to mustang with a dry system, popped the intake like a balloon.
I'm not saying it happens very often but it can happen.

Wasn't going to post back but that fast and the furios thing made me :mad: I don't watch that garbage
 
Wicked, first off sorry to make you :mad: . Maybe I threw the f&f comment out too quick, its just that I think there is as much chance of a blowing the intake up with nitrous at the intake runners as before the turbo. The mustang story shuts me up, because thats what I asked for and thats what I got. I'm more of a fan of propane than nitrous, so I've heard too many people talk about blowing things up without showing evidence. Call me a trigger happy vigelante!
 
Dubwho, thanks I'm ok now. You are right a backfire if it were to occur would probrobly not make it out of the intake. ;) It also amazes me how many of our ricey youth believe what they see
in movies.
 
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