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NMCA: National Muscle Car Assoc., I thought it was National Monte Carlo Assoc., I know absolutely nothing about these acronyms!:redface:
Is the racing dead?
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NMCA: National Muscle Car Assoc., I thought it was National Monte Carlo Assoc., I know absolutely nothing about these acronyms!:redface:
I've over 600 drag strip runs on my car through the years I've owned it. But now, because these cars are so easy to make go fast (thanks to products like Julio's Alky system), I run too quick and don't have a roll bar or cage and don't want to put one in my car which is still a pretty nice stock looking car. I'm just happy with a quick and fun street car and go watch the races when we're at the track.
Dave,
I think for 1/4 mile the .49 is fine as you can make an 11.49 class at any track and not get booted for not having a roll bar. This is technically the limit not that its enforced.
As to tires issues.. If I go to an event 800 miles away to race a car.. its getting trailered there. And I want maximum performance from it. Let alone the safety issues. Having a set of slicks or drag radials is no biggie at that point.
I understand if the event is local, and your driving it there to compete with the regular radials..
scot w.
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Thanks Clint! I was going to post the same thing but wanted to read all posts first....
Scot W.
Thanks for the thumbs up.. window tint and buy the track guys Pizza... works like a champ
Ohh oh.. lookie here
Ford Mustangs | Mustang GT, Cobra, Saleen & More - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine
Guess who
Thanks for the thumbs up.. window tint and buy the track guys Pizza... works like a champ
Have done that for years at my local TRACK!!!
A very good piont was made , about the over 200 people at Mr.Clark's on Thurs and not even 50 spectaor's on Fri/ Sat!!! Maybe we need to have some free FOOD!!! at the TRACK!!!
Really would love to hear from some of these folk's.
WHAT DO YOU GUY's ans GAL's want more CAR show's?? tie'd into these event's!!!
Would LOVE TO SEE MORE AND MORE!!!!
the index classes sound like A GREAT IDEA!!!
the more the MERRIER!!!!
just my .02
JD
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Ohh oh.. lookie here
Ford Mustangs | Mustang GT, Cobra, Saleen & More - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine
Guess who
Nice:biggrin::biggrin:Good right up and that 89 looks strong with a 10.07 avg.
Trying for the 9.0 average next year
You have to admit, they get the pressure from the magazines... along with the huge event.. it costs a lot to race at one of these events.. My three days where like 170. Me, car, and assistant. I did win 150 back.. so it was a wash cept fuel and food. And got the snazzy two page shot in the July MMFF mag.
With the GN.. it is GM High Tech.. and thats it.. aside from a rare appearance on Car Craft, Hot Rod, or??? that typically cater to carb stuff.
As far as the classes go, you have to build your car around the class, there is not going to be a class built around your car (I'm not picking on you Dave, this is just a general reply to all those who say there is no class for them.) It is like that in any form of racing....if you want to race and be competitive, you must be close to the limit of the rules. Example, don't go to race tsm with a 62mm turbo when everyone else has a 72mm turbo. Don't go to race ths with a 67 turned up to 20 psi, because the guy next to you probably has a brake spring on his wastegate giving her all she's got
I've built my last 2 TR's around class rules (tsm and ths.) It does not take anything away from building the car how you like it (I've seen that argument.) It basically gives you a guide line to follow and then you get creative trying to find that edge that know one else knows about or hasn't figured out yet. After all is said and done, the racing is the best part. In Norwalk, the finals were both 2 cars running 10.2 and 10.3. Those two cars ran their fastest past in the finals. It was like a chess game of who was going to put their stuff on the edge.
One thing that hurts race attendance is scheduling!
This year we had 3 races all within 30 days!!! Then nothing for 60 days!! If it costs me $600 on average to attend a race (add some for the 2 down south because of fuel mileage,) that would have cost me $2K+ and at least 6 days off work in 30 days. I don't have that kind of coin. I know the pay was high for the tb race, but you can't count on that (especially when your car is new and untested at that point.)
The problem with building your car to a specific class, I can't keep mine even close to stock appearing. I have to change the block, headers, and quite a few other things just to fit into a class. Hell, mine doesn't fit unless I convert the whole thing to an 84-87 system and that's a lot more work than I feel I need to do to get into the 11's. I'm not asking for a payout but the right to put my car to the test with the rest of the TB's to see how well it holds up against them.
I'll give you an interesting idea for a class though.:biggrin: It is based on the difference between the original stock times VS the time you specifically run at the track. The percentage of difference is the winner, but you have to have some sort of equalization factor for mods like non stock turbos ect. It would be a pain to set u but it would be interesting to see the differences in the cars before and after mods.:smile:
LMAO... its gonna be you and me and a few other hybrid freak mobiles running eachother.
ATLEAST.... we know we have decent compettion.
Now if I could just make more money! lord send me thems papas from heaven!
Not arguing Aj. It would be interesting to see a race with some of us hard core B4black guys just to see what happens.:biggrin:
BTW, no more tractions tips so I beat your ass on the track one of these days.
:biggrin:You got a carb'd car, right? Is it a 200 4r? Under 67 turbo? Does it have a ic, a/c? Remember it's peer tech. If it's something different you'd be surprised what goes in ths.
Well that the first time that anyone has offered any assistance to us "red headed" step children.:biggrin: The biggest inducer wheel I can run is a TE60 but it's still got a stock 86-87 exducer wheel. Since it's a hybred turbo and carb/turbo and all the rules state "fuel injected" that's what knocks us out. Can't run an IC on it unless you want to see a spectacular explosion at the end of the track.
Thanks Kevin for the tip and I hope I can come join in some time in the near future with the rest of you.:smile:
Well that the first time that anyone has offered any assistance to us "red headed" step children.:biggrin: The biggest inducer wheel I can run is a TE60 but it's still got a stock 86-87 exducer wheel. Since it's a hybred turbo and carb/turbo and all the rules state "fuel injected" that's what knocks us out. Can't run an IC on it unless you want to see a spectacular explosion at the end of the track.
Thanks Kevin for the tip and I hope I can come join in some time in the near future with the rest of you.:smile:
Hot air's can run w/o a/c. As a racer in peer tech I would not reject your setup. If you were ever going to race at an event, probably post up in the ths section and ask if you'd be allowed in. My vote would be yes. Different setups are cool in my book as long as they don't give a huge advantage (don't know if that sounds right)
With car count as low as it is.. and a car that is technically fighting with arms tied behind its back.. of course they would let it in. They would be foolish not to.
Where it gets greasy is when the car is the "fastest" one.. then all the rule books get openend and the drama begins.
Trust me.. i've seen cars not allowed to race in a Buick class over missing the stupid wheel well mouldings.
In all fairness an index class would serve Charlie better than to go against cars 2 seconds faster. he can let the car go as fast as he wants and drive the car.. and have a real chance at winning something. Not that participation is bad.. but as Shane said.. 3rd and 4th are not 1st and 2nd.
Where it gets greasy is when the car is the "fastest" one.. then all the rule books get openend and the drama begins.
Trust me.. i've seen cars not allowed to race in a Buick class over missing the stupid wheel well mouldings.
In all fairness an index class would serve Charlie better than to go against cars 2 seconds faster. he can let the car go as fast as he wants and drive the car.. and have a real chance at winning something. Not that participation is bad.. but as Shane said.. 3rd and 4th are not 1st and 2nd.
toofastforyou
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Sorry, but I don't agree. I'm not interested in building my car to make it "fit" in a specific class which is ran only a few times a year at a few tracks, most of them being too far from where I live. I'd much rather build it the way I want it to be and run in the B-R-A-C-K-E-T classes where the only rules are safety rules. You simply choose your dial and you're ready to go, no fussing with complicated class rules, and everyone has a chance of winning (fast or slow, big name or not), which is to be taken into consideration! :wink: I have never liked heads-up racing because it favors only a few select top-name racers.
All the other "little guys" like me don't stand a chance of winning a single round. There's always going to be a faster car somewhere, against which you'll have zero chance of winning if racing heads-up. This discourages a lot of guys who eventually lose interest and won't be returning next time...That's why I've always favored bracket racing to give everyone a fair chance at winning and having fun.-One last thing, there are way too many classes (TSO, TSL, TSM, TSS, THS, TSA, TSR, etc...
) very similar with some too restrictive rules in them. This sometimes splits the racers into many small groups with as few as 3-4 cars in them...:frown: Seems to me that with 3 or maybe 4 classes (for example: B1, B2, B3 and maybe B4), every car could get in and it would be much less complicated...I think this is only one of the many reasons why a lot of guys aren't racing as often as they used to.
Claude. :redface:
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Mine's only done, racing that is, while it's broke no racing.
Sounded right Kevin.:biggrin: For 3 years now I've been trying to get the car to Noble to run in the ferd VS Buick shootout and I might just get it there this year and see what she'll do. I'm hoping on 11's and I've done my homework so I know she should do somewhere in the 11's at least.:biggrin:
With car count as low as it is.. and a car that is technically fighting with arms tied behind its back.. of course they would let it in. They would be foolish not to.
Where it gets greasy is when the car is the "fastest" one.. then all the rule books get openend and the drama begins.
Trust me.. i've seen cars not allowed to race in a Buick class over missing the stupid wheel well mouldings.
In all fairness an index class would serve Charlie better than to go against cars 2 seconds faster. he can let the car go as fast as he wants and drive the car.. and have a real chance at winning something. Not that participation is bad.. but as Shane said.. 3rd and 4th are not 1st and 2nd.
My point was that the HA's have come a long way in the last few years and the original HA's can't even come out to play with you guys. There's 6 years of cars out there that usually don't even bother to come out because we can't really do much. The rules are so restrictive that you leave a lot of guys out when there is a meet so they just don't show up.:redface:
Still can't believe that some one would throw a fit over wheel well mouldings though.
I guess we can agree to disagree or however that goes.Sorry, but I don't agree. I'm not interested in building my car to make it "fit" in a specific class which is ran only a few times a year at a few tracks, most of them being too far from where I live. I'd much rather build it the way I want it to be and run in the B-R-A-C-K-E-T classes where the only rules are safety rules. You simply choose your dial and you're ready to go, no fussing with complicated class rules, and everyone has a chance of winning (fast or slow, big name or not), which is to be taken into consideration! :wink: I have never liked heads-up racing because it favors only a few select top-name racers.
-One last thing, there are way too many classes sometimes very similar with only some slight differences between them, adding to the confusion. This splits the racers into too many small groups with sometimes as few as 3-4 cars in them...:frown:
I think this is only one of the many reasons why a lot of guys aren't racing as often as they used to.
Claude. :redface:
I find joy in building a car around rules. Nothing beats the rush of staging a turbo regal in competition on a pro tree in a heads up race! If I wanted to sit for a half second while the tree drops and try to run the time on my window and could care less about the other guys setup I would got to one of my local tracks and bracket race
That's just my opinion though. The first time you race in an actual heads up class you will he hooked! Where else can you heads up race a stockish Buick but at a Buick event?
Still can't believe that some one would throw a fit over wheel well mouldings though.
Trailer your car 1000+ miles and show up at an event. Pay your admission, your GSCA membership, cost for an enclosed trailer, hotel, food.. show up to peer tech and that crap happens.
Car was Roy Garcias from Miami in BG a few years ago. Rules state no modified wheel well openings. His was missing the outer moulding.
I dont like rules. I understand them. The TAI class we started a few years ago pretty much allowed anything. The only downside was car count kept getting smaller year after year. Then the bar was raised by a few fast cars and that threw in the blanket for some. Thats how THS started.. no Turbo400's and limit turbo to 67mm. basically. I'll leave it at that.
toofastforyou
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Well, maybe you're right about that, but where I live, there aren't enough Buicks to make a special class (neither bracket or heads-up) for them.:frown:
The only "Buick" related event I've regularly participated was the annual event held at Englishtown, NJ on Labor Day weekend, (running bracket in the "B1" class) but guess what...it's now cancelled!...
...Again, less racers...Claude. :redface:
