I F'ing Hate Pit Bulls!!!

[SGRIM]

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I have to make my own risk assessments. If you have a Pit, my children will not be allowed in your home or yard. If the dog comes on to my property, he will die of lead poisoning.

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After thinking about that last line for 2 seconds I lost it:biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[qwic87gn]

Nothing a pound of hamburger marinated in a half gallon of antifreeze wont fix.

I had a good friend that lost his dog to that exact thing. This was a 15lb sweet little mut, that barked a bit to much when they let him out to do his business. Was that the appropriate fix? F*ck no! Let the authorities deal with a problem animal.

If someone that had the same mentally retarded, morally ill thinking as you tried that on my dog, I would spend the rest of my life in prison for the way I would end thier life.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

As a pit owner of over 25 years and never having a single incident you pit-bull blind expert media followers kill me.
When and where are the Rott attacks on the news?
When and where are the Dobie attacks on the news?
OHH they get reported as Pit attacks for the dummies to gather their pitch forks and ropes.

Bann guns for all, then bann Pits for all. Until then get lost with these stupid arguments.

What happens when a kid finds a loaded gun in a closet?

 

[Nasty Wendy]

CALL THE EMS!!!!! An innocent child is being eaten by a rabbid ....oh nevermind.

 

["Turbo-T"]

Yeah here too. Even in NC it is a CRIME to shoot someone else's dog...However if one comes in my yard I can't do crap about it...

Well that's a b.s. law. So what if said animal was attacking your kids or family? Are you supposed to just let it sit there and bite/eat your kids/family? What are you supposed to do? I doubt you can get the cops out fast enough to get the animal off.

I know when I lived in Indiana I was told if a dog comes on your property you can shoot it. Now mind you a dog that's just sniffing around my yard or pooping in my yard I wouldn't shoot. But if I ever caught one trying to kill one of my animals/babies/people....sorry but Kujo's going down.

I think those who pass stupid laws like that should have to walk a mile in someone's shoes that's been there, and see if they don't want to repeal that law they passed.

 

[SGRIM]

Well around here people will kill others dogs for just barking to much... I guess they were trying to do the "right" thing....

It sucks but... I do not intend on going on anyones property w/o permission to start off with. I figure long as I am taking care of the family I will do what I got to do!

 

[jcawley3]

Wrong Bud. Your using one example to justify a breed as being dangerous. One could say Dobermans are unpredictable and dangerous as well. Your son experienced that personally. Do you think my Dobe would have ever done that to your son? I would bet my life, house, and pension on it that it would never have happen and never would. It's NOT the BREED. It has nothing to do with the BREED.

Ever have a friend that you have known all your life committ sucicide? Many of us have. Sometimes people/animals do things that are unexpected and unexplainable. It's not the animal or human race its just something that happens and there is not always a reason for it. Animals like people can be unstable and unpredictable. I know mine isn't. But I cant say the same for others. Either way it has NOTHING to do with the BREED. People need to stop saying that about Pits. I also owned a pit and he was just as loyal, obedient and clear headed as my Dobe is. You have seen personally how well behaved and clear headed my Dobe is. Any dog I have owned or ever will own will act the same way.

A Pitbull is simply a Staffordshire Terrier. England recognizes these two breeds as the same and the United States does not but it's the same dog. You dont here about people saying how Staffordshire Terrires are so dangerous because Europe treats there dogs completly differently then the USA does. It's illegal to cut a Dobermans ears in most European countries. There standards are different and therefore their dogs turn out different as a whole.

A Pitbull in the USA is more aggresive to other dogs then they are or ever will be to humans. This being as I stated before, it's a survival instinct due to large litters and many often becomming strays and having to fight for scaps of food for survival.

Ghetto morons like to use them to fight because they are DOG aggressive in nature as they evolved over the last few decades. They are also lower to the ground and have an easier time locking onto another dogs neck to choke them out out. That is another main reason they are used to fight against other dogs. They are NOT HUMAN aggressive.

How many Pitbulls do you see working as Police dogs in the United States. None! How many Pits are used as Police dogs any where in the world? None! That is because they are not naturally aggresive towards humans and don't work well like that.

Google a search for personal protection dogs on the internet. See how many of those sites use Pitbulls are a personal protection dog. A personal protection dog is to be used to fend off HUMAN attackers not dog attackers. These personal protection agencies use German Shepards, Malinois, Dobermans (Rare tho), Roties (Rare tho), Cano Corso's, Giant Schnausers (Mostly in Europe tho), Presa Canario, etc.... NOT PITBULLS.

nicely put!

 

[craggar]

I'm a dog love and have owned them all my life. I have not nor never will own a pitbull after seeing first hand what can happen when they decide they don't like someone.

The dog was 4 or 5 years old at the time and grown up around people other then it's family it's whole life. The family who owned the dog were IMO very responsible dog owners. One day while a few of us were sitting in their yard another friend who knew the owners and dog as long as they had the dog walked in the yard as we all had several times before. Out of the blue the dog attacked him. Last I seen the guy he still didn't have much use of his right arm. The dog practically ripped the muscle right off.

The dog was destroyed and no charges were laid against the owners. This was over twenty years ago and I'd barely heard of the breed but even then there was lots of reading to be found about similar attacks by these dogs. Sure there were stories about other breeds as well but for every other breed I read about back then there were twice as many about pitbulls and they were not as common of breed as a sheppard for example.

How many Pitbulls do you see working as Police dogs in the United States. None! How many Pits are used as Police dogs any where in the world? None! That is because they are not naturally aggresive towards humans and don't work well like that.

Google a search for personal protection dogs on the internet. See how many of those sites use Pitbulls are a personal protection dog. A personal protection dog is to be used to fend off HUMAN attackers not dog attackers. These personal protection agencies use German Shepards, Malinois, Dobermans (Rare tho), Roties (Rare tho), Cano Corso's, Giant Schnausers (Mostly in Europe tho), Presa Canario, etc.... NOT PITBULLS.

I'm pretty sure the other breeds are used because they more predictable then a pitbull is. I'm also pretty sure sheppards are used by police is because they one of the most inteligent breeds and have a better record for being predictable.

Like I said I'm a dog owner and in general love all animals.I hope all you pitbull owners never exprience what I have or many others have but my family will never be around them again.

 

[Buger99]

When u get a dog no matter what breed u just need to do research on the breed and the pedigree of the dog your going to get. So all these people who get pit bulls just to get them and really don't understand how to take Care of them are just adding to there bad reputation.

 

[GNBRETT]

 

[GNBRETT]

I'm pretty sure the other breeds are used because they more predictable then a pitbull is. I'm also pretty sure sheppards are used by police is because they one of the most inteligent breeds and have a better record for being predictable.

Actually Sheppards are used in Police work because of their working ability (Their drive).

You experience one incident 20 years ago with a Pit Bull so that makes the breed unpredictable? That makes very little sense. Do you think the Pit Bull is the only breed to act out in that manner unprovoked?

The Border Collie and the Poodle are actually the most intelliegent breeds of dogs. How well do you think they would work out for a Police department?

Sheppards are intelligent as well but that is not the reason they are choosen for Police work. Drive is the reason.

 

[craggar]

Actually Sheppards are used in Police work because of their working ability (Their drive).

You experience one incident 20 years ago with a Pit Bull so that makes the breed unpredictable? That makes very little sense. Do you think the Pit Bull is the only breed to act out in that manner unprovoked?


The Border Collie and the Poodle are actually the most intelliegent breeds of dogs. How well do you think they would work out for a Police department?

Sheppards are intelligent as well but that is not the reason they are choosen for Police work. Drive is the reason.

Are you saying a border collie doesn't have drive?

And in response to your reply that you deleted, I don't have first hand exprience but my brother does and it's not just drive or predictability, it's a combination of the two as well as intelliegence.

My experience along with everything I've heard or read about the breed is enough for me not to want one.Some of those who defend the pitbull use the media hype for the bad rep the breed gets, do you think the media ignores other dog attacks and only reports the pitbull attacks? I don't think so. Even though they are not the most popular breed for pets you sure hear alot about them attacking because they do it the most.

 

[GNBRETT]

Are you saying a border collie doesn't have drive?

And in response to your reply that you deleted, I don't have first hand exprience but my brother does and it's not just drive or predictability, it's a combination of the two as well as intelliegence.

My experience along with everything I've heard or read about the breed is enough for me not to want one.Some of those who defend the pitbull use the media hype for the bad rep the breed gets, do you think the media ignores other dog attacks and only reports the pitbull attacks? I don't think so. Even though they are not the most popular breed for pets you sure hear alot about them attacking because they do it the most.

It is certainly your right and choice to not own a Pit Bull. But your reasoning as to why does not equate to it being the fact that the breed itself is dangerous.

No, a Border Collie does not not have the drive to do Police work. Not even close.

I deleted the post about experience because I wouldn't expect you to have real world experience with Police dogs so I deleted it in fairness to your response but since you brought it up I do and speak from experience working in an urban environment for 13 years where the Pit Bull is without a doubt the most popular breed and can say what proportion of that breed in the community exhibits human aggression? Very little.

For example, if there were 3,000 pit bulls in a specific area, and 5 attacked humans during the previous year, but there were 100 or so attacks of some other breed in the same area and 5 also attacked humans, statistics would suggest that the other breed is a far more aggressive breed than pit pulls, with 2,995 pit bulls behaving quite decently.

Most statistics published show only the number of dogs and various breeds involved in attacks, not the percentage of dogs of that breed in the area who were involved in attacks. Any popular breed is more likely to show up with more attacks because there are simply more dogs because they are more popular with irresponsible owners.

Yes, your are correct that it is a combination of several factors that makes and Police dog capable of doing police work. A Pit Bull does not have what it takes to perform police work for several reasons. It has nothing to do with instability. When raised properly in a proper environment they are very stable but would still not make a good Police dog. They don't track very well for one. Second, they would be more likely to chase a cat then a human if sent on a suspect. There are numerous reasons.

 

[SinistrV6]

As a pit owner of over 25 years and never having a single incident you pit-bull blind expert media followers kill me.
When and where are the Rott attacks on the news?
When and where are the Dobie attacks on the news?
OHH they get reported as Pit attacks for the dummies to gather their pitch forks and ropes.

Bann guns for all, then bann Pits for all. Until then get lost with these stupid arguments.

What happens when a kid finds a loaded gun in a closet?

I understand that you love your dogs (but why more than humans I'll never understand), but that's at least two comparisons to guns in this thread. While both are tragic and may end in death, THE GUN CAN'T KILL ANYONE ON IT'S OWN! IT HAS NO BRAIN, NO WILL, NO MOBILITY.

I can (and do) lock my guns away or otherwise secure them to prevent accidents. I can raise a Pit, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Doby, or any other dog that is physically capable of killing me (realistically, don't say a chihuahua could do it if given enough time, that's just stupid) in the most humane, affectionate, responsible manner possible and it may still (and frequently does) attack and maim or kill a person without provocation.

Go back to my earlier post. If you're comfortable putting your family at this sort of risk just to own a "cool" dog that's a decision that only you can make. Just don't expect me to share in that risk if that dog comes onto my property. He'll have to face a protective father with a firearm and he'll lose every time. Sorry.

 

[craggar]

Most statistics published show only the number of dogs and various breeds involved in attacks, not the percentage of dogs of that breed in the area who were involved in attacks. Any popular breed is more likely to show up with more attacks because there are simply more dogs because they are more popular with irresponsible owners.

"A comprehensive study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that the pit bull breeds are the breed most often involved in fatal dog attacks in the U.S.A. Out of 238 dog bite deaths for which the breed was known from 1979 to 1998, 66 were caused by pit bull attacks (over 20%), more than any other breed"

The pitbull isn't anywhere near the top of the list of dog breeds owned in the US. Yet they are at the top of the list for fatal attacks. Just imagine if there were as many pitbulls as there are labs in the US.

According to some people "everything" that is on the net or in the media about pitbulls is wrong unless it comes from an owner of one. I find it hard to believe that when you do a search on the net for the most dangerous dog and it comes up with pitbull on almost every site that they are all wrong.:frown:

There is nothing you guys can say that will make me (or most others for that matter) change my mind or vice versa. So I'll stick with the dogs I trust and hope you guys do well with yours.

 

[Nasty Wendy]

The dog most likely to bite is a .............(drum roll please)....................Collie. Fact.

Read all about it. The book is available at Pets Mart if you wish to see for yourself. 277 Secrets Your Dog Wants You to Know by Paulette Cooper and Paul Noble

 

[GNBRETT]

"A comprehensive study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that the pit bull breeds are the breed most often involved in fatal dog attacks in the U.S.A. Out of 238 dog bite deaths for which the breed was known from 1979 to 1998, 66 were caused by pit bull attacks (over 20%), more than any other breed"

The pitbull isn't anywhere near the top of the list of dog breeds owned in the US. Yet they are at the top of the list for fatal attacks.

What you meant to say is Pit Bulls are not at the top of the dog breeds listed of people who actually register their dogs. There are more Pit strays then any other breed by a long shot. And in the areas that Pit Bulls actually bite people are areas you would expect to find them, the less fortunate or poor neighborhoods. Irresponsible owners and large litters will increase the rate of any animal/human to be cast in a bad light.

Could kinda say the same for Black males that grow up in the ghetto. They statistically committ more crimes then any other race and make up 70% of the prison population but most were raised by either no parents or irresponsible parents so does that make Black males more dangerous? I guess statistically one could argue that point but it would be a very ignorant one considering out next president is a Black male.

It's no different for Pit Bulls when you make the analogy. Statistics are just numbers. They are not the real underlying facts as to why things occur and it dosen't make any particular dog breed or human being any more dangerous because of it.

 

[SGRIM]

The dog most likely to bite is a .............(drum roll please)....................Collie. Fact.

Read all about it. The book is available at Pets Mart if you wish to see for yourself. 277 Secrets Your Dog Wants You to Know by Paulette Cooper and Paul Noble

I hear you there, but I haven't met a Collie I couldn't KO pretty easy myself:biggrin:

Bottom line is a pitt can kill or injury you very quickly. There aren't but a few other dogs that can do that... Not saying they are MEANER than any other dog they are just breed to have that ability. It isn't the dogs fault, I agree.

I don't keep anything for a pet that can kill me. That is kinda like the guy that buys a rattlesnake and turns it loose in the house Or you play with fire long enough you are going to get burnt... It is the law of averages...

To each their own, but as SinistrV6 says if they come near my family or home I am not going to take a chance on if he is going to be nice.... He GOTS TO GO!

 

[SinistrV6]

The dog most likely to bite is a .............(drum roll please)....................Collie. Fact.

Read all about it. The book is available at Pets Mart if you wish to see for yourself. 277 Secrets Your Dog Wants You to Know by Paulette Cooper and Paul Noble

Wendy, that may be true but we're not talking about bites, we're talking about maulings and deaths.

 

[1000MileStylez]

i only hear about pitbull attacks on tv. cause the news knows that the word "pitbull" would catch an audiance. its propoganda. You will rarely ever hear about any other attacks.