Can cops legally do this?

I would have no problem with alcohol being banned considering I dont drink. I would agree that alcohol kills more people then street racing could ever dream of. So does that mean the those laws should be ignored?

No speed limits on the water? Wrong. There are speed limits in those areas were boating traffic is high around the inner harbor or shoreline areas. Usually 15 mph.

No speed limit on the Autobaun? Wrong again. You need to get your facts straight before you write. There are speed limits on the Autobaun in designated areas.

Do I personally think taking someones car is a little harsh? Yes, but like any illegal activity in society stronger measures are necessary when less harsh measures are being effective.


Re read what I wrote. I never said there were no speed limits on the autobahn. I said MUCH of the autobahn is without speed limit.

And as for the water;

I have been boating all of my life, I am well aware of speed limits in certain areas. But for all intents and purposes, there is no speed limit on the water when 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the ocean we traveled on had no speed regulations whatsoever despite plenty of other boat traffic.

"I would have no problem with alcohol being banned considering I dont drink."

Classic. Now I know exactly where you are coming from. You apparently don't believe in a fundamental principle that this country was founded upon.

Just because you don't do something you think its fine and dandy for that viewpoint to be imposed on everyone? Stalin would be proud.

There are plenty of things you do that I do not do that I'm sure you enjoy and would be upset about if they were banned. It may not affect me one bit if you lose your right to underwater basket weave (if that is your cup of tea)

But fortunately for you, I will gladly protest its banishment with you because when they come for your freedoms and succeed in eliminating them, my freedoms are not far behind.

It's too bad you don't feel the same way.

I can't really explain these concepts further because you are thinking inside the box. Maybe one day you'll question what the ultimate goal of laws are... and only then maybe you will start to understand. As long as you believe laws justify themselves simply because a man (who bleeds red and breathes the same air I do) wrote them... there is no hope.

"Do I personally think taking someones car is a little harsh? Yes, but like any illegal activity in society stronger measures are necessary when less harsh measures are being effective."

Might as well open the gulags and start digging the mass graves... None of our law enforcement is even close to 100% effective at stopping crime. Pol-Pot thought like the quote above... starvation and mass murder was his solution to keep people in line.
 
Re read what I wrote. I never said there were no speed limits on the autobahn. I said MUCH of the autobahn is without speed limit.

And as for the water;

I have been boating all of my life, I am well aware of speed limits in certain areas. But for all intents and purposes, there is no speed limit on the water when 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the ocean we traveled on had no speed regulations whatsoever despite plenty of other boat traffic.

"I would have no problem with alcohol being banned considering I dont drink."

Classic. Now I know exactly where you are coming from. You apparently don't believe in a fundamental principle that this country was founded upon.

Just because you don't do something you think its fine and dandy for that viewpoint to be imposed on everyone? Stalin would be proud.

There are plenty of things you do that I do not do that I'm sure you enjoy and would be upset about if they were banned. It may not affect me one bit if you lose your right to underwater basket weave (if that is your cup of tea)

But fortunately for you, I will gladly protest its banishment with you because when they come for your freedoms and succeed in eliminating them, my freedoms are not far behind.

It's too bad you don't feel the same way.

I can't really explain these concepts further because you are thinking inside the box. Maybe one day you'll question what the ultimate goal of laws are... and only then maybe you will start to understand. As long as you believe laws justify themselves simply because a man (who bleeds red and breathes the same air I do) wrote them... there is no hope.

"Do I personally think taking someones car is a little harsh? Yes, but like any illegal activity in society stronger measures are necessary when less harsh measures are being effective."

Might as well open the gulags and start digging the mass graves... None of our law enforcement is even close to 100% effective at stopping crime. Pol-Pot thought like the quote above... starvation and mass murder was his solution to keep people in line.

Well now your not making much sense. Stalin? O, I see. So someone disagrees with you so a dictator would be proud? Get a clue dude.

You comment on how alcohol kills many people each year and I agree with you. "It's too bad you don't feel that way" So I need to participate in something that is unhealthy and therefore choose not to do it to be against it? Your realing making very little sense and should probably quit while your behind in this debate.

The last I checked there were no intersections, blind driveways, curves, hills, sand, traffic lights, pedestrians in the road, etc... in the ocean. Like you said, considering 99.9% of it is does not require a speed limit why would you use the ocean as an example of not needing a speed limit. In those areas that boaters and recreational watercrafts come into contact with each others paths frequently there are laws to prevent people from being hurt just as there are on the street. Your comparing illegal street racing on the highway to someone legally operating a boat in the ocean. You making no sense and confirming it with your comments.

Laws are primarily designed to deter people from placing themselves or others in danger as well as punishing those who try to take advantage of inncoent people.

"None of our law enforcement is even close to 100% effective at stopping crime" Law enforcement is not designed to stop crime. I'm not sure where you got that rediculous notion from? Law enforcement is there to keep society from running a muck on itself. It has never been nor will it ever be there to stop crime. It is there to control it.

Take care....
 
Okay then... To help deter crime, the police should be able to knock on anyone's door and ask to look around. After all, if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide.... right? :rolleyes:
 
Well now your not making much sense. Stalin? O, I see. So someone disagrees with you so a dictator would be proud? Get a clue dude.

You comment on how alcohol kills many people each year and I agree with you. "It's too bad you don't feel that way" So I need to participate in something that is unhealthy and therefore choose not to do it to be against it? Your realing making very little sense and should probably quit while your behind in this debate.

The last I checked there were no intersections, blind driveways, curves, hills, sand, traffic lights, pedestrians in the road, etc... in the ocean. Like you said, considering 99.9% of it is does not require a speed limit why would you use the ocean as an example of not needing a speed limit. In those areas that boaters and recreational watercrafts come into contact with each others paths frequently there are laws to prevent people from being hurt just as there are on the street. Your comparing illegal street racing on the highway to someone legally operating a boat in the ocean. You making no sense and confirming it with your comments.

Laws are primarily designed to deter people from placing themselves or others in danger as well as punishing those who try to take advantage of inncoent people.

"None of our law enforcement is even close to 100% effective at stopping crime" Law enforcement is not designed to stop crime. I'm not sure where you got that rediculous notion from? Law enforcement is there to keep society from running a muck on itself. It has never been nor will it ever be there to stop crime. It is there to control it.

Take care....

Wow... just... wow.


Reading comprehension is clearly not one of your strengths.
 
First, street racing is illegal. Period. Drinking alcohol is not if you are of age. Drinking and driving is illegal (after a certain blood alcohol level is reached).

Illegal, legal, illegal. There is a difference and that is what makes the difference. As long as I can remember they have been able to take your car as well as your license for "illegal drag racing" on the street. It was not always so strictly enforced but it was always a chance we took when we did it. Of course we did not do it in the crowded towns, we always went way out into the country where we could be reasonably safe about it. The only people at risk were the ones in the cars. Taking the car for a first offense may be a little harsh dependant on the circumstances, but for someone convicted of say, assault with a deadly weapon, the police do not give them their gun back because they didn't actually kill anyone now do they? The potentially deadly weapon was used in the commission of a crime. It's gone. Of course there is a day in court where you and a lawyer make the DA prove you were indeed committing a criminal act at that time. But if they are trying to take your car they probably have a pretty tight case. In this case they had video of these two cars participating at several illegal street races over a period of several months of investigation. They were not taken for just "hittin it" at the stoplight.

The new twist is that they are using the cars confiscated on patrol. Some states have crusher laws where your car is crushed in front of you. Here, they used to be auctioned off to generate some revenue. But now instead of making a few thousand dollars for the county they are saving "more thousands" in an already tight budget by converting these cars for duty instead of purchasing new ones. So in effect they are doing what is in the best interest of the general public. They have used unmarked cars here forever. We know they are there. It's not entrapment.

Laws are for law-abiding people, which coincidentally is the problem I have with gun control laws. (They only apply to people who observe the law. Criminals, by definition, do not abide by laws.) Whether you see a LEO or not, you are supposed to abide by the law. Laws that do include speed limits, following distance, aggressive driving, etc. LEOs are charged with enforcing the law. So, no, if the unmarked car is used for traffic duty it shouldn't be just for catching street racers. Plus with the media coverage it's not like they are trying to hide the fact that they have these cars. I think it is an effective strategy. Now instead of watching their speed just when they see a marked car they will be watching their speed around blue Cobras and 350Zs.

The cars may not be marked and carry roof top light bars but they are well lighted. They are also visible when you would look at the car parked so undercover operations are not possible with these cars. But for traffic duty, it is pretty evident that it's not just a blue light sitting on the dash. The strobe bars and all of the extra lights are expensive so you could pretty much bank on the fact that it's not somebody just playing cop. How many people were killed in street racing connected events last year? I don't know but I bet it was still probably more than were robbed by blue light bandits.

There are a few things I do think are gray about this practice though. First if a car has been modified they can argue that the car is not safe or is even illegal to operate whether you were caught racing or not. I'm not sure how the law applies here. That's one of the reasons I keep mine as stock looking as I can to avoid that hassle. I do know that the illegal equipment they removed was not all of the performance mods. I think I read somewhere that the Cobra still has a pulley change and an engine management system. They did remove the nitrous system and replaced the converters to be emission compliant. Also, there could be a question of liability if the vehicle were ever involved in an accident. It was not factory equipped with a "police package" plus it was modified when it came into duty so was it suitable for service or was it unsafe and dangerous.

Lastly, back when I was in the military one of my C/O's told me that the way to hurt a person was to hit them in the wallet (referring to AR-15's). I agree. Although drug dealers may have paid for the stuff they have out of ill gotten gains they will not feel the loss like the average Joe who has spent time and hard earned money on a car that he could be proud of, but loses it just because he does something stupid on the spur of the moment. So in that respect it is a much more effective deterrent than a simple fine or impound because some people never learn. Look at a court blotter and see how many are there for driving without a license. I know one couple, both husband and wife, who have had their licenses permanently revoked from numerous moving violations when they were younger. They are both much older now with three children and they both still drive everyday. (I sort of understand why. They have to be able to go to work. If they didn't, they would be one more burden on the welfare system.) The husband gets caught every so often and has to spend a couple of weeks in jail but then he is right back out and driving again. He has a job that he can take the time off when that happens and it doesn't affect his money. Take a man's car for racing and he will definitely think twice about doing it again because you didn't punish the man, you punished his wallet.
 
First, street racing is illegal. Period. Drinking alcohol is not if you are of age. Drinking and driving is illegal (after a certain blood alcohol level is reached).

Illegal, legal, illegal. There is a difference and that is what makes the difference. As long as I can remember they have been able to take your car as well as your license for "illegal drag racing" on the street. It was not always so strictly enforced but it was always a chance we took when we did it. Of course we did not do it in the crowded towns, we always went way out into the country where we could be reasonably safe about it. The only people at risk were the ones in the cars. Taking the car for a first offense may be a little harsh dependant on the circumstances, but for someone convicted of say, assault with a deadly weapon, the police do not give them their gun back because they didn't actually kill anyone now do they? The potentially deadly weapon was used in the commission of a crime. It's gone. Of course there is a day in court where you and a lawyer make the DA prove you were indeed committing a criminal act at that time. But if they are trying to take your car they probably have a pretty tight case. In this case they had video of these two cars participating at several illegal street races over a period of several months of investigation. They were not taken for just "hittin it" at the stoplight.

The new twist is that they are using the cars confiscated on patrol. Some states have crusher laws where your car is crushed in front of you. Here, they used to be auctioned off to generate some revenue. But now instead of making a few thousand dollars for the county they are saving "more thousands" in an already tight budget by converting these cars for duty instead of purchasing new ones. So in effect they are doing what is in the best interest of the general public. They have used unmarked cars here forever. We know they are there. It's not entrapment.

Laws are for law-abiding people, which coincidentally is the problem I have with gun control laws. (They only apply to people who observe the law. Criminals, by definition, do not abide by laws.) Whether you see a LEO or not, you are supposed to abide by the law. Laws that do include speed limits, following distance, aggressive driving, etc. LEOs are charged with enforcing the law. So, no, if the unmarked car is used for traffic duty it shouldn't be just for catching street racers. Plus with the media coverage it's not like they are trying to hide the fact that they have these cars. I think it is an effective strategy. Now instead of watching their speed just when they see a marked car they will be watching their speed around blue Cobras and 350Zs.

The cars may not be marked and carry roof top light bars but they are well lighted. They are also visible when you would look at the car parked so undercover operations are not possible with these cars. But for traffic duty, it is pretty evident that it's not just a blue light sitting on the dash. The strobe bars and all of the extra lights are expensive so you could pretty much bank on the fact that it's not somebody just playing cop. How many people were killed in street racing connected events last year? I don't know but I bet it was still probably more than were robbed by blue light bandits.

There are a few things I do think are gray about this practice though. First if a car has been modified they can argue that the car is not safe or is even illegal to operate whether you were caught racing or not. I'm not sure how the law applies here. That's one of the reasons I keep mine as stock looking as I can to avoid that hassle. I do know that the illegal equipment they removed was not all of the performance mods. I think I read somewhere that the Cobra still has a pulley change and an engine management system. They did remove the nitrous system and replaced the converters to be emission compliant. Also, there could be a question of liability if the vehicle were ever involved in an accident. It was not factory equipped with a "police package" plus it was modified when it came into duty so was it suitable for service or was it unsafe and dangerous.

Lastly, back when I was in the military one of my C/O's told me that the way to hurt a person was to hit them in the wallet (referring to AR-15's). I agree. Although drug dealers may have paid for the stuff they have out of ill gotten gains they will not feel the loss like the average Joe who has spent time and hard earned money on a car that he could be proud of, but loses it just because he does something stupid on the spur of the moment. So in that respect it is a much more effective deterrent than a simple fine or impound because some people never learn. Look at a court blotter and see how many are there for driving without a license. I know one couple, both husband and wife, who have had their licenses permanently revoked from numerous moving violations when they were younger. They are both much older now with three children and they both still drive everyday. (I sort of understand why. They have to be able to go to work. If they didn't, they would be one more burden on the welfare system.) The husband gets caught every so often and has to spend a couple of weeks in jail but then he is right back out and driving again. He has a job that he can take the time off when that happens and it doesn't affect his money. Take a man's car for racing and he will definitely think twice about doing it again because you didn't punish the man, you punished his wallet.

ok...say someone sends a virus to a business and it causes millions of dollars worth of damage. Does he get a labotomy so he doesn't have the brain capacity to write another virus? No he gets fined and possible jail time. Yeah they might even ban him from using a computer but would that stop him if he wanted to use a computer? no it would not.

If a guy punches another guy and breaks his face all up do they cut off his hands so he can't punch anyone anymore? No he faces a judge and gets his sentence, fine jail time etc etc.

If you failed to pay your property taxes would they take your house? Nope.

If I do drugs (I'm not talking about selling drugs) do they take away all my money so I can't buy more? no again.

This law/practice is like a mandatory minimum for a drug offense in some states. There are people in prison for many years who got caught with drugs they intended to use and not sell. Seems pretty harsh doesn't it? Does locking a person in jail stop them from craving drugs? I really doubt it!

Treat the problem not the symptom!!!! Maybe if people had more places to race there would be less street racing. My guess is that the government doesn't see money in it and there would be less "budget relief" because there would be less confiscated cars.

Laws aren't right just because they are law and can be justified by a few people. It seems to me that the MAJORITY of people disagree with this and we have to stand up for ourselves. I used some pretty extreme examples but like I've said before once it starts where does it stop? Kind of like gas prices, we're getting used to 3$ per gallon and not all that long ago it was less than 2$. If we see less than 3$ per gallon we get excited and think we're getting a deal when in fact we're just being price gouged less that day.
 
I'm wondering how many times they will use that Stang or 350Z to bait people now..pull up beside someone and rev it a few times..like every Mustang does trying to temp you to race them...then they pop you and confiscate your car??? Anyone thought of them doing that??

Pablo makes very good points.. If society agrees that street racers cars should be confiscated....why not drunk drivers too?? I know a few states do this already if its your 3rd or 4th offense.....but once that is accepted by society, whats next....take your car for just speeding..afterall it kills too....

How about all the idiots that can't stay out of the left lane if they aren't passing someone...that kills too...so take their cars... bet no one will be speeding now or driving slow in the left lane if they did that...thats to the point about drunk driving decreasing if they did that...sure it would but is it right?? Take their lisense..won't keep them from driving...but neither will taking their car..they'll just go buy another and drive again...so why is the fee then increased to $x and your car..why not just $x more??

Oh, more people are killed at railroad crossing each year than street racing...what is the gov't going to do there??? take the rail cars since they kill...
Guns and knives kill take those too...see how ridiculous the whole idea of taking the car is to begin with.... yet admitted killers in our prisons can't be put to death..what a ridiculous society we've become.
 
Oh, more people are killed at railroad crossing each year than street racing...what is the gov't going to do there??? take the rail cars since they kill...

Railroads have the right of way at grade crossings. They have since before cars. Good reason too, they are simply too big to stop quick.
 
You don't like that law? Challenge it in court and have it changed.
I would donate $10 to a legal fund.

But check this out

A senator was arrested for DWI this week
And guess what the flucking Cop failed to do
YOU GOT it he never did a breathalyzer test.

The way I see it
The cop called in a possible DWI
Pulled the guy over saw that the guy was a Drunk senator but it was too late the Radio call had already been recorded.
So they say No breathalyzer NO evidence you will beat this in court.
Is this fair
If it was me the cop would have went to the store and paid for a breathalyzer with his own money.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE FLUCKING SYSTEM.
THIS IS WHY I CAN'T BACK SHIP LIKE THIS.
 
Oh, more people are killed at railroad crossing each year than street racing...what is the gov't going to do there??? take the rail cars since they kill...

Railroads have the right of way at grade crossings. They have since before cars. Good reason too, they are simply too big to stop quick.

That was exactly my point..the only other alternative is to not allow folks with a below average IQ level to not buy cars, because these are the morons trying to cross the tracks when the train is coming...yet the govt did try a program to "save" these people by implementing a netting system that is lowered when a train is approaching..at a cost of $1.3 million a crossing...great waste of tax payer money...I say if your that stupid then let them get killed...same can be said for other acts of stupidity, but unfortunately some innocent people get killed in the process... but unless we want to become a dictatorship, thats the way it will be to have the freedoms we enjoy. And no, street racing is not a freedom, but by confiscating cars for doing it will just lead to other extreme measures for other minor infractions that could harm other people soon making it not free or having any freedoms anymore.
 
Oh, more people are killed at railroad crossing each year than street racing...what is the gov't going to do there??? take the rail cars since they kill...

Railroads have the right of way at grade crossings. They have since before cars. Good reason too, they are simply too big to stop quick.

If you go under the gates when they are down, you're trespassing. Plain and simple. Yet somehow, the families of people who are killed still come after the RR with a law suit and when they have no success there they go after the Locomotive Engineer. One of the Engineers for the RR I work for is currently being sued by a family member of a trespasser he hit with his train 7 years ago. If the law suit is successfull you can bet I'll be looking for a new career. I'm not gonna stick around until I have a fatality and then not have any legal protection. However, most RR fatalities at least at the RR I work for are Suicides.
Sorry to go off topic....
 
Saw on TV to different accidents with tractor trailers and trains the other day. Both trucks were trying to beat the train. Dumb idea. I dont' see how that engineer could be held responsible unless he was drunk or not qualified to operate the train.
Back to on topic. We have lots of different unmarked cars around here. Some the cops don't even wear uniforms, they wear a suit. Everyone has an aggressive more once in awhile but it seems like if those guys are coming up behind people and driving aggressive to them then it would entrapment. It would be different if they were just driving aloge in the right lane and someone goes whizzing by in and out of traffic and they pursue them.
 
I think its crap that your personal property is confiscated. It is your property no matter what. Sending the person to jail or suspending a drivers license I completely agree with, but this is not right. And Im sorry to disagree with deputydawg and a few others, but im not pulling over for an unmarked car. I will call 911 if they are persistent and find out if they are legit but pulling over for an unmarked car is just dumb. There is nothing stopping crazy idiots from putting lights on their cars. I don't think any unmarked car should be able to make a traffic stop. I used to know of a crazy kid that had a completely legit looking police car but the lights weren't red and blue. He was pretty crazy and there are plenty more crazies to go around
 
I've heard more than 1 report of fake unmarked cars pulling over women and they got raped. They say to drive to the nearest police station and stop there. Of course if it's a real cop by then he'll be steaming so when you do stop they'll get you for everything and more so it's no win situation...
 
Ridiculous.

Love all the hipocrit's in here, with "you gotta pay to play", but when you were playing it was ok, right?:rolleyes:

Taking vehiclels is harsh punishment for a first offense of street racing...

Taking an innocent persons life when you crash is to, race at the track where its safe.
 
Taking an innocent persons life when you crash is to, race at the track where its safe.


You are thousands of times more likely to do that just driving to the mall than you are street racing.

Take public transportation, you'll be safer.
 
Ok...take the car IF you crash or IF you take an innocent persons life. Taking someones car if the only person they can hurt is themselves is too harsh.

Your resting alot on that IF, everytime you race in a non-controlled environment, you pose a risk to other people. There are too many uncontrollable varibles out there. A life is worth more than our precious cars. Street Racing is ILLEGAL period. If you participate and get caught, Man up, suck it up, and deal with the consequences of those actions- Bottom Line.
 
You are thousands of times more likely to do that just driving to the mall than you are street racing.

Take public transportation, you'll be safer.

You may need the public transportation when your local PD is driving your confiscated car around.
 
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