**you Will Not Believe This Sh..!!! Blown Head Gasket While Pulling Out Of Shop!!!**

[ecarringt22]

So I'm pulling my GN out of White Racing after taking it back to them because my knock sensor was running in the red after spending a small fortune with them and I blow a head gasket Could that be caused by that knock not doing right??? I'm so upset!!!

 

[ghall]

After you calm down, you might to give a better explanation.
Are you saying you blew a HG idling it out of their shop? or
Did it blow a HG because you had some much knock prior to taking the car back to them and the HG was already blown when you got it to the shop?

 

[stack1]

What did they do to the car? Did you have them do the upgrades you talked about in your other thread?

 

[GNRick]

When I blew a HG at the track, I took the car back to the engine builder and told him it happened backing out of my driveway. I don't think he believed me, but after reading this thread I guess pigs really CAN fly.

 

[jasjamz]

Elaborate on the "pulling out" part. I'm thinking your car was fine, and then you got down on it to see if it was good to go and....well you know.

 

[Dreamcar86]

So I'm pulling my GN out of White Racing after taking it back to them because my knock sensor was running in the red after spending a small fortune with them and I blow a head gasket Could that be caused by that knock not doing right??? I'm so upset!!!

What did you have them do for you? Did they pull the heads while at the shop? Give a little more information for us to work with.

 

[ecarringt22]

Copy of invoice

What did they do to the car? Did you have them do the upgrades you talked about in your other thread?

I didn't do the other upgrades because I wanted to make sure my car ran good without those upgrades. I hit the gas one good time on my street and all of a sudden smoke starts spitting out. When I first got the car out the knock was reading red at about 40 mph so I wanted to take it back into the shop to have them check it out. They said it was reading wrong because of an aftermarket knock meter.

Tell me if I been had and overpaid for my work on my GN


White Racing & Marine Date: 14-Feb-08
Electronic and Fuel Injection Specialists Invoice #:
12820 E. Nine Mile Road, Warren Michigan 48089 Ship VIA:
(586) 756-3026 (586) 756-8350 Fax Labor Rate: $75.00

Resale: Fax: Same as Home VIN:
Quantity Part Number Code Labor Price Amount
1 Labor Check Out Car Completely 2.0
1 Labor Replace Lower Radiator Hose (Installed) 80.00
1 Misc Replace TCC Solenoid 0.5 88.75
1 Misc Transmission Filter, Gasket & Fluid 1.0 49.89
1 Misc Passenger Front Upper Control Arm Bushings 3.0 90.00
4 Misc Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings 2.0 78.20
8 Misc Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings 2.0 156.40
4 Misc Front and Rear Shocks 2.0 319.80
1 Misc Replace Rear Brake Shoes 1.0 64 64.98
1 Labor Replace Radiator and Flush 1.8 195.00
1 Labor Fix Oil Leak on Turbo (Gaskets, Materials) 0.4 10.00
1 Labor Fix Oil Leak on Front Cover 0.6 5.00
1 Labor Fix/Install Intercooler Bolts and Align 0.3 5.00
1 Labor Replace Misc Missing Bolts on Engine 0.3
1 Labor R&R Oil Pan and Replace Gasket 1.5 35.00
1 Labor R&R Valve Covers and Replace Gaskets 2.0 25.00
1 Labor Repair Broken Sway Bar Mounts 1.0
1 OLAB Front End Alignment 0.5 50.00
1 Labor R93 Chip, Setup ECM, MAF, TPS, Ect 1.2 75.00
1 Misc 160 Thermostat 1.0 15.00
1 Misc Cold Air Kit 1.0 175.00
1 Misc Hemco Plenum and Block Heater Hoses to Throttle Body 1.0 275.00
1 Diag Repair Dash 4.0
2 Misc Antifreeze 31.98
6 Misc Motor Oil 33.54
15 Waste Waste Disposal 0.36 5.40
1 Misc Oil Filter, GN 8.99
1 Deposit CC Deposit 1-25-2008 D 1,500.00
1 Deposit CC Deposit 1-25-2008 D 1,500.00
1 Misc Front Coil Springs (New) 155.00
1 Misc OEM Driver Lower Control Arm (Used) 65.00
1 Labor Labor to Install Lower Control Arm and Both Front Springs 3.0
1 Misc Install Polished S.S. 3" Downpipe 1.0 450.00
1 Ship Shipping on Down Pipe S 22.00
1 Misc Repair Drivers Side Exhaust Manifold (Sheared Bolt) 0.5
1 Misc Exhaust System - Used OL 300.00
1 Misc Waste Gate Actuator, HP 0.5 125.00
1 Misc Chassis Dyno and Road Test 0.00
1 Misc Fuel, 93 33.00 33.00
Description
6 24 Autolite Spark Plug 0.5 17.82
1 Misc Heater Core 2.2 65.00
CODES: # = Labor Hours B = Balance (Previous) C = Credit D = Deposit DY = Dyno Usage L = Labor M = Machining OL = Outside Labor S = Shipping Parts Total $2,578.75
Thank You for your Business… Michigan Repair Facility Number F152792 Tax $154.73
Labor Total $2,915.00
Outside Labor $0.00
Dyno Rental $0.00
Machining $0.00
Shipping $22.00
Total $5,670.48
Previous Balance $0.00
Credits/Deposits $3,000.00
I have read the above disclaimer... Customer Signature: ____________________________________________________ Balance

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

Are these prices with parts included?

 

[2GNS4ME]

thats insane

 

[Chuck Leeper]

I see several items done/changed, that would/could affect the boost, and fuel delivery. I also see that there's no $ for the dyno/road test. Was that done?
I'd be REAL wary of the comment on the knock, and the cause.. It's because of an aftermkt gauge...Properly installed, that's bull$hit...
I do not see a fuel pump/system upgrade on the list. Was that already on the car?
Some of those "items" are really pricey! $320 for 4 shocks? Konis? Especially, when the ft end was down for bushings.[And, 2 hrs labor!]
Coil springs @ $155. ABSURD.
"Double dipped" you on the radiator, hoses, stat. $80 to supply and replace the hose, when the rad was being taken out anyway??
Bottom line: You got the hammer.. File a CC complaint, and ask for a chargeback, until the problem are identified & corrected. [Assuming they are at fault.]
Sure am glad I do my own work!!

 

[ecarringt22]

I see several items done/changed, that would/could affect the boost, and fuel delivery. I also see that there's no $ for the dyno/road test. Was that done?
I'd be REAL wary of the comment on the knock, and the cause.. It's because of an aftermkt gauge...Properly installed, that's bull$hit...
I do not see a fuel pump/system upgrade on the list. Was that already on the car?
Bottom line: You got the hammer.. File a CC complaint, and ask for a chargeback, until the problem are identified & corrected. [Assuming they are at fault.]

Good point!!!

 

[ecarringt22]

Are these prices with parts included?

Yeah do you think I was overcharged???

 

[spoolinturbo6]

blown head gasket

Well if what you say is true didn't they check the knock sensor out when they had it at the shop? because how do they know that the sensor is faulty ? also does this shop know what they are doing with turbo cars? In my experience when it comes to any technician doing his job no matter what the job is ,some techs are very good and some are parts changers which means they change out parts until it is fixed if they fixed it at all, and then there are others that just bull **it and tell you what you want to here.

I would recommend a performance shop that knows what they are doing. ANDERSON PERFORMANCE, COTTONS PERFORMANCE , HARTLINE PERFORMANCE, ESP, and sorry if I let any others out. these shops have the experience.

 

[rmar]

I am not defending anyone but any time you (pump up the
volume) you will find the weak link. Some times due to
no ones fault. As bad as I hate to hear what happened
That being said I suppose you had a quote or est. on the
work to be done. They took the pan off? To inspect bottom
end (guess). They bolted on a bunch of stuff,but I don't
see a charge for tuning.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

I don’t own a shop nore do work on cars for any one but I’ll give my .02 on the prices

1-1 Labor Check Out Car Completely 2.0

I would have a problem with this specially line #2 and #24
2-1 Labor Replace Lower Radiator Hose (Installed) 80.00
10-1 Labor Replace Radiator and Flush 1.8 195.00
24-2 Misc Antifreeze 31.98

on this it depends on how much the Solenoid cost but still very questionable to do line #3 you have to do line #4????
3-1 Misc Replace TCC Solenoid 0.5 88.75
4-1 Misc Transmission Filter, Gasket & Fluid 1.0 49.89

5-1 Misc Passenger Front Upper Control Arm Bushings 3.0 90.00
6-4 Misc Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings 2.0 78.20

7-8 Misc Rear Lower Control Arm Bushings 2.0 156.40 i would also have a problem with this

on this it depends on what type of shocks you asked for(KYB’s go for $37.00 each)
and to do some of the other suspension work your Shocks WOULD already have been removed like in the radiator and trans work??????
8-4 Misc Front and Rear Shocks 2.0 319.80
30-1 Misc Front Coil Springs (New) 155.00
31-1 Misc OEM Driver Lower Control Arm (Used) 65.00
32-1 Labor Labor to Install Lower Control Arm and Both Front Springs 3.0

9-1 Misc Replace Rear Brake Shoes 1.0 64 64.98
11-1 Labor Fix Oil Leak on Turbo (Gaskets, Materials) 0.4 10.00
12-1 Labor Fix Oil Leak on Front Cover 0.6 5.00

13-1 Labor Fix/Install Intercooler Bolts and Align 0.3 5.00
14-1 Labor Replace Misc Missing Bolts on Engine 0.3

15-1 Labor R&R Oil Pan and Replace Gasket 1.5 35.00 this is a great price

16-1 Labor R&R Valve Covers and Replace Gaskets 2.0 25.00 this is a good price
17-1 Labor Repair Broken Sway Bar Mounts 1.0
18-1 OLAB Front End Alignment 0.5 50.00
19-1 Labor R93 Chip, Setup ECM, MAF, TPS, Ect 1.2 75.00
20-1 Misc 160 Thermostat 1.0 15.00
21-1 Misc Cold Air Kit 1.0 175.00
22-1 Misc Hemco Plenum and Block Heater Hoses to Throttle Body 1.0 275.00
23-1 Diag Repair Dash 4.0
25-6 Misc Motor Oil 33.54
26-15 Waste Waste Disposal 0.36 5.40
27-1 Misc Oil Filter, GN 8.99
28-1 Deposit CC Deposit 1-25-2008 D 1,500.00
29-1 Deposit CC Deposit 1-25-2008 D 1,500.00
33-1 Misc Install Polished S.S. 3" Downpipe 1.0 450.00
34-1 Ship Shipping on Down Pipe S 22.00
35-1 Misc Repair Drivers Side Exhaust Manifold (Sheared Bolt) 0.5
36-1 Misc Exhaust System - Used OL 300.00
37-1 Misc Waste Gate Actuator, HP 0.5 125.00
38-1 Misc Chassis Dyno and Road Test 0.00
39-1 Misc Fuel, 93 33.00 33.00
40-Description
41-6 24 Autolite Spark Plug 0.5 17.82
42-1 Misc Heater Core 2.2 65.00 this is a very good price

It looks like they charged you individual prices for each job and that I would have a problem with that.

To replace a control ARM you HAVE TO remove the shock and spring!!
So now to replace the shocks witch already have been removed to do the control arm they still charge you full labor price?????
and to replace the springs witch are already out of the car to replace the control arm bushings they again charge you full labor price???????
And the same goes for the Radiator stuff.
Dude you need to buy a tool set and a couple of books. All of this work could have been done in you driveway (in the summer) or a small garage with a floor jack and some jack stands.
Sorry about your situation.
Now take the bill to shop owner and have a nice calm conversation (I really DO MEAN NICE and CALM) with him/her remind him/her of what a good customer you are and of how much money you just dropped with them and see if they could do something for you.
Good luck Dude

 

[jdpolzin]

JESUS!!! Thats why I do my own work, the prices are freakin rediculous. And no offense but replacing the stock control arm bushings cost you more than new aftermarket ones would have. the springs are 3 times more than they should be. Remind me to not ever deal with them.

 

[ecarringt22]

JESUS!!! Thats why I do my own work, the prices are freakin rediculous. And no offense but replacing the stock control arm bushings cost you more than new aftermarket ones would have. the springs are 3 times more than they should be. Remind me to not ever deal with them.

Thanks for the info!!! Anything else anybody sees that is crazy??

 

[Junior Samples]

wow 5 grand, kinda at a loss for words.
yes they did some double dipping but on the other hand

I sit here and think what in the world are you doing owning one of these if you cant replace a lower rad hose, tranny filter, thermostat..on and on and on then come in here and ask "hey did i get screwed?" yeah you got screwed when ya bought it

I want to sympathize but im just having a hard time justifying someone owning one of these 20 yr old cars that has to pay that much or any labor rate for simple preventative maintenance.

please forgive me but this would be the last damn car id own if i couldnt turn a wrench.

like post before me stated..buy a book or two, some tools, take some classes or find local guy to help work on it and stick around to learn while hes working on it

once again good luck

 

[stack1]

I sit here and think what in the world are you doing owning one of these if you cant replace a lower rad hose, tranny filter, thermostat..on and on and on then come in here and ask "hey did i get screwed?" yeah you got screwed when ya bought it

I want to sympathize but im just having a hard time justifying someone owning one of these 20 yr old cars that has to pay that much or any labor rate for simple preventative maintenance.

True, you bought the wrong car if you can't do the baisics. Get prepared to spend ALOT more money in the future.

 

[Junior Samples]

True, you bought the wrong car if you can't do the baisics. Get prepared to spend ALOT more money in the future.

Thanks stack..i got thinking about it and started to feel like i was a little harsh, i dont mean to be..then i got thinking about the list and the original thread and that was head gasket blown and why...so i scrolled up and found this

1 Misc Waste Gate Actuator, HP 0.5 125.00

So they replaced it?... adjustable and they didnt adjust it? leaving 1/8 inch or was it cranked in 20 turns and they just slapped it on?
maybe....hmmmmmmm good way to overboost and thar she blows.

Id prolly be willing to drive down to warren and have a look if he floated my fuel