eric schildroth
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when they first came out people were complaining that alot of modificatios were needed to build these? Im thinking of gettinh one but need some input from everyone. thanx in advance....
ta block
- Thread starter eric schildroth
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Contact Arizona GN, RPE or Duttweiler.
They are all having success with these motors.
They are all having success with these motors.
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When we were designing and developing the TA alum block, many of the "internet experts" complaining that the block would be a flop and a disaster.
Then a couple guys built a TA block in their garage, and they were a disaster as they did not have the proper experience, tools or knowledge.
The smart guys had the TA block professionally built, and went on to set records for HP and reliability, after being frustrated with their Stage II blocks.
Almost 100 TA alum engines have been built and some have exceeded 1500 HP.
I can only comment on reliability based upon my personal experience with the protype block in my car which has over 1000 runs with lotsof abuse during the tuning process. It is freshened about every 300 runs, and the block/rotating assembly is always in good shape.
As far as cost, the machining is about the same as a Stage block. Since there can be many variables in the build and selection of parts, there is no standard build price.
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Thanks Nick, I was going to PM you and ask you to respond when you had time. It is always great getting your TA input.
When we were designing and developing the TA alum block, many of the "internet experts" complaining that the block would be a flop and a disaster.
Then a couple guys built a TA block in their garage, and they were a disaster as they did not have the proper experience, tools or knowledge.
The smart guys had the TA block professionally built, and went on to set records for HP and reliability, after being frustrated with their Stage II blocks.
Almost 100 TA alum engines have been built and some have exceeded 1500 HP.
I can only comment on reliability based upon my personal experience with the protype block in my car which has over 1000 runs with lotsof abuse during the tuning process. It is freshened about every 300 runs, and the block/rotating assembly is always in good shape.
As far as cost, the machining is about the same as a Stage block. Since there can be many variables in the build and selection of parts, there is no standard build price.
I would recommend Bobby at RPE or Nick Micale for one of these TA engines. Even "God" himself doesn't have a clue what special needs these TA blocks need and will spend more time MF'ing the product instead of educating himself on the subject so he can take care of his customers.
When we were designing and developing the TA alum block, many of the "internet experts" complaining that the block would be a flop and a disaster.
Then a couple guys built a TA block in their garage, and they were a disaster as they did not have the proper experience, tools or knowledge.
The smart guys had the TA block professionally built, and went on to set records for HP and reliability, after being frustrated with their Stage II blocks.
Almost 100 TA alum engines have been built and some have exceeded 1500 HP.
I can only comment on reliability based upon my personal experience with the protype block in my car which has over 1000 runs with lotsof abuse during the tuning process. It is freshened about every 300 runs, and the block/rotating assembly is always in good shape.
As far as cost, the machining is about the same as a Stage block. Since there can be many variables in the build and selection of parts, there is no standard build price.
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Billy T.
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Great info! Glad you took the time to post!
Nasty Wendy
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Since you are not very aware of Buick racing and racers over the years, check with Dave Fiscus for one. He went with a TA block a few years ago after MANY issues with Stage II blocks.
There are many others that have had broken stage II blocks.
The only TA alum block that I know was badly damaged by a bad decision of the tuner which caused 2 rods to break [shown below], has been repaired, and is now running.
Try to repair damage like that with an iron block!
There are many others that have had broken stage II blocks.
The only TA alum block that I know was badly damaged by a bad decision of the tuner which caused 2 rods to break [shown below], has been repaired, and is now running.
Try to repair damage like that with an iron block!
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Out of curiosity, did they just weld the chunks back in or did they have to cast replacement pieces to go in? After all the repairs, did everything have to be remachined ie; did the process change the block so the original machining was off? Being able to repair something like that definately is a plus.
turbofabricator
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Since you are not very aware of Buick racing and racers over the years, check with Dave Fiscus for one. He went with a TA block a few years ago after MANY issues with Stage II blocks.
There are many others that have had broken stage II blocks.
The only TA alum block that I know was badly damaged by a bad decision of the tuner which caused 2 rods to break [shown below], has been repaired, and is now running.
Try to repair damage like that with an iron block!
Aint nothin' an industrial sized tube of JB weld wouldn't fix.
I've had 2,240 CID Rolls Royce Griffon engines welded back together after sawing them almost in half from a rod failure. They went on to make over 4,000 HP and live another day. That is surely a big advantage to the TA block, too. Ya, you "can" repair cast iron blocks that look like that, but good luck with cracking. Only one guy I would trust welding an iron block back to life. ("Cast Iron Repair Specialists" in Marysville Wa. 360-657-7660 He does amazing repairs that look impossible to fix.) But aluminum is much easier to fix.
Over 40 lbs boost & large shot of NOZ
caused this.
repaired, and being assembled,
it depends on who did repairs as to how much distortion.
This didn't need align bore, used most of the orig castings for repairs.
rods let go, crank was still good!
this was well over 1300hp, weak link was rods . (oliver)
caused this.
repaired, and being assembled,
it depends on who did repairs as to how much distortion.
This didn't need align bore, used most of the orig castings for repairs.
rods let go, crank was still good!
this was well over 1300hp, weak link was rods . (oliver)
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Nasty Wendy
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Since you are not very aware of Buick racing and racers over the years, check with Dave Fiscus for one. He went with a TA block a few years ago after MANY issues with Stage II blocks.
There are many others that have had broken stage II blocks.
The only TA alum block that I know was badly damaged by a bad decision of the tuner which caused 2 rods to break [shown below], has been repaired, and is now running.
Try to repair damage like that with an iron block!
It was a simple question that I asked Nick. I suspected that it was just a sales pitch but would have been pleasantly surprised to find out that there is a 'record of reliability' that is held by a Buick/TA engine. When I read your post my first thought was that my backside was actually on fire but then I realized there was no heat, it was just you blowing smoke up my butt.
It would be an incredible waste of time BUTT if you wish to insult my 'awareness of buick racing' further I suggest you send me a PM and I can reply via PM with some sort of snappy swift kick to the nuts BUTT I think its best that we don't defecate on Eric's thread with this crap any further. :wink:
750H.P.V6
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Lee,
If these are the pics of the block you got from Scott Wile the rods were from K1.
Neal
You are correct Neal. I got the Chinese steel crank and it was in good shape. I heard the boost on that run when the rods let go was 40 psi. Phil Wyatt in Hisperia did the welding and he is amazing. I believe Reg had his Stage 2 welded by Phil and it held up well.
Jeff
