stupid cobra!

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I raced a cobra at my local track last year and killed him, I was in my 87 t with these mods all boltons, rjc plate, 42.5 injectors, te 60 stretch intercooler downpipe and alky , and drag radials, I saw nothing but his headlights behind me, tune your car and get it to hook in the 60ft at the least get a good rear swaybar and maby a set of lca's just my opinion
 
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They are not as fast compared to the gn as one would think. they sound good but thats about it!! With my old set-up (TE-44, 22lbs boost, 60lb injectors, PTE stock location IC,) from a roll I slapped the piss out of a Roush mustatang! get some nice M/T drag radials and lay the smackdown on it! It's really neat to say, " I haven't been beat yet on the street!" and it's true! The only thing that came close was LS1 T/A on Nitrous and i won that one too cause he was watching me instead of his tach and he hit the rev limiter!:biggrin: Keep us posted on the progress.
 
Don't race dyno sheets, Race the driver!

I've beaten a bag full of those cars with my old Heads and Cam FRC C5 Corvette. Many of them around here cruise around show off their lovely dyno sheets, and I don't care...I race the driver and for cash too!

The moral of my story, don't get caught on dyno numbers...dynos don't win races. Drivers win races!

Thanks
 
I screwed up I said 42.5# injectors and I actually have 60's sorry. that works in my benefit tho! haha
Thanks for all of your input fellas Ill let a know how it goes when it happens.
-Andrew
 
I work part time for a local Mustang shop and most of the performance gain is in the tune just like it is for the Buicks. On average, pullies, cold air and electronics will yield upwards of 500 +/- to the wheels. Gears are worthless. They come with 3.55's stock and we have several going high 10's low 11's with the stock gear. A small KB will produce 550+.
One car that we just did put 620 to the wheels with the KB, and other small modifications. That one traps at almost 130
 
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Read my signature. I love cobra's! Half of those bozo's don't even know how to drive their cars. But beware when you start beating them you will never hear the end of their excuses for why they lost. I kept spinning, I missed a gear, my tires would not grip and on and on and on.
My set up last year almost mirrored Dreamcar86's and I smacked the living $hit out of many a cobra. We've got some fast one's here near Detriot. Be armed with alky and DR's at all times. I too find that Punks with Mustangs are often too busy tring to impress their buddies and girlfriends to realize what just happened to them!!! After that my thouights are always "shut the f@@k up, I,m not interested in your tires, missed gears, or I goota bad piece of pavement". Good luck, tune it and send him packin'. Dave
 
Beating a Roush mustang isnt exactly bragging rights. They're nothing special. With the 03-04's, without suspension upgrades to stop wheel hop (a HUGE problem with the IRS's...not nearly as bad as the 99-01's were, but one hop is all it takes to unload the suspension and tires and there goes traction) he will have major problems out of the hole. If he has the upgrades, sticky tires and can drive, its by no means a dyno queen. Getting a high powered stick car to hook on the street is not easy. Most american roads are crap. I raced a GN when I had my 99, in N/A form (322rwhp and 4.56's) and even with nittos, I had to launch in 2nd gear, slip the clutch to death, feather the throttle, and still spun the tires to the point I was almost at redline the whole time, and kept smoking them till the middle of 3rd gear at about 70mph. I got killed out of the hole and spent the whole time trying to keep up. Once I hooked, I was right there with him, but I was 3-4 cars back. The traction problems with cobras are very serious, no matter how you drive it. So the road you're on, the tires he has and the way he drives will determine everything. Sticky tires and good driving at the drag strip, with all that rubber on the pavement and VHT, and that drag strip will become the great equalizer. You'll lose your ass unless you have 500rwhp.
 
No matter what the blown Cobras are no joke.. Period!
And you just barely breathe on them with mods and they in the 11's all day. My buds bonestock Cobra with slicks ran 11.98 with slicks only and bone stock motor.

Now for the beating...You gotta get the GN to HOOK for sure and make triple sure you have the sucker tuned perfectly.
Pratice and Practice and Practice launching and tuning.
To take advantageof the slcks traction and to get out the hole, you will something to hold the car at the line with as much boost as posible so the S10 wheel cylinders and double larger shoes on both brakes in the rear.
With the combo you say and a launch from 8-10 PSi with max 26 -28 PSi and a 1.5 - 1.4 60 foot and around a .533 reaction time I think it will be a good race.
Might want to consider the HNR rear bar.

Other stuff to consider for sure..just my quick 02. Let us know what the turn out is.
 
Beating a Roush mustang isnt exactly bragging rights. They're nothing special. With the 03-04's, without suspension upgrades to stop wheel hop (a HUGE problem with the IRS's...not nearly as bad as the 99-01's were, but one hop is all it takes to unload the suspension and tires and there goes traction) he will have major problems out of the hole. If he has the upgrades, sticky tires and can drive, its by no means a dyno queen. Getting a high powered stick car to hook on the street is not easy. Most american roads are crap. I raced a GN when I had my 99, in N/A form (322rwhp and 4.56's) and even with nittos, I had to launch in 2nd gear, slip the clutch to death, feather the throttle, and still spun the tires to the point I was almost at redline the whole time, and kept smoking them till the middle of 3rd gear at about 70mph. I got killed out of the hole and spent the whole time trying to keep up. Once I hooked, I was right there with him, but I was 3-4 cars back. The traction problems with cobras are very serious, no matter how you drive it. So the road you're on, the tires he has and the way he drives will determine everything. Sticky tires and good driving at the drag strip, with all that rubber on the pavement and VHT, and that drag strip will become the great equalizer. You'll lose your ass unless you have 500rwhp.
VADERS? your right, beating any mustang isn't bragging rights! but you left out "NEVER BEEN BEAT YET ON THE STREET!" that's bragging rights!!:biggrin: That includes: Corvettes-including the z06!, LS1's, mustangs, SRT-4's, SRT-8 chargers, 69' camaro and on, and on! that was all done with having M/T drag radials on and 20lbs boost on the street at all times! if at all possible run your Turbo-regal in kill mode at all times cause you never know when someone dumb as hell wants to run you!;)
 
What I was getting at, was that the roush mustang isnt comparable to the 03 cobra...didnt really mean it wasnt bragging rights. Sorry for explaining poorly what I meant. Thing is, a modded 03, NOT in kill mode, can be very fast. From a roll, theres no hope. But from a dig, the GN's tend to have a leg up on that.
 
My 03 cobra before I got rid of her was my baby. You guys are right without the proper driver it's over. My and a few buddies used to have some. Mines was mild tune with 2.93 pulley, cat-back exhaust and air filter and mines put down 458 hp and 465 torgue. I was a racer beating people with street tires wasn't easy. Another guy have one at my job and we raced. from a roll, he had drag radial and I didn't at that time. He had a predator tune in it with air filter, exhaust and pulley. I had at that time air filter and exhaust that's it. I cleaned his clock. He couldn't drive wont a damn shifting at 5000. It depends on the driver, I think you'll need a bigger turbo and injector also. Head will also help, and plenty of alky or turbo blue. The same guy went to the track and went 13.50 with cold air, exhaust and pulley with 460hp and 467t with bfg drag radials on it mine you. Another guy at work went 14.00 with the same mods check how he was launching. Tracking control on rev it to 4000 dump the clutch then turn the traction control off during second gears. How he manage to to do all that and race amaze me to this day lol.
 
I love the fact that there are 03-04 forced feed Cobras running. My biggest rivalry is a black 03 Cobra w/ a 2.4 Liter Kenne Bell on it with supporting bolt ons. Awesome car. He has practically whipped everyone on the street. I got my GN running about a year ago and brought it out to the street circuit. The cobra called me out before I could get parked. I pulled him three different times. From a dig, 20 roll, and 30 roll. He had the excuse that his water to air intecoller pump was going out and the intake air temps were getting hot and his tune was off badly. I got instant street credit from that point, and the rivaly was on. He has since supposedly gotten a race tune with 25 psi and alky, whick will make his car even more tunning critical. Point is that theoritical hp numbers sound great, but my understanding and experience is that 03-04 Cobras cars can not be tuned on the fly like our turbo buicks. We can adjust for temperature, humidity, fuel types, etc. Tunning is the ultimate power advantage. Get your car at the top of its game and lay one down for the Turbo Buicks.
 
i had a 04 cobra last year and after a cat back borla system and a k&n filter i dynooed 411 to the wheels. if he throws a smaller pulley, like a 2.93 on there with a tune and exhaust, you're lookin at almost 450rwhp.
 
Would I benefit from the 210-215 roller cam and a higher stall?

We use the 210-215 with awesome results, do a search under the Full Throttle 210-215 and read the results. I posted the combo we ran with that cam here few times . It is a proven cam and I'll definitely recommend it. I will also add ported heads, bigger turbo and injectors as well to your combo. There is more than one way to skin a cat but if the funds are available I will get everything done, right now you have it all a part and it's easier and cheep to do than later. This way you can blow the doors off not just his car but 99% of the cars out there. Just remember, there will always be someone out there that's faster than you no matter what you do, do not under estimate anyone!!


HTH
Prasad
 
but my understanding and experience is that 03-04 Cobras cars can not be tuned on the fly like our turbo buicks. We can adjust for temperature, humidity, fuel types, etc. Tunning is the ultimate power advantage. .
True and not true. The mustang aftermarket has seen to it that every mustang owner gets boned dry when it comes to tuning. Theyve all made it so hard, that you have to pay for a dyno tune if anythings due for a major change. There are mail order tune chips, like a JMS chip, which I had, where you get 3 or 4 programs on 1 chip, and they usually get it incredibly close, when you actually strap the car to the dyno. JMS has dyno tuned thousands of mustangs, so they have a huge database to refer to. Unfortunately though, when it comes to mail order tunes for blown cars, they dial in the timing to 1 static number...totally locked in. You have people like Danny Sw***** who has built a big rep for tuning stangs. I really dont know why. Every time he tuned a car in a magazine, the cars were way down on power and they "didnt know why"...this happened all the time. A GN specialist around the corner from me..you know who, went to Sw***** to tune his lightning, and he paid over 700 for a chip and an extra 10hp. I paid 530 for my blower dyno tune (cobra), and LOST 22hp! And the mail order tune I had was very safe, so that would be a BS excuse. I know MANY people who have been boned over there big time, and they will say, "well every car is different", or some other bull****, and the people will pay! Shawn Ellis tuned my cobra after that for free,..I was sort of a pawn for socaldiablo...they used me to destroy the competition...and it was ok with me, because it was free, and I walked out of there with an extra 40hp over Swa****'s tune, and my tune was very safe. At Swa****'s, the lightning owner that was on the dyno before me, had just had ported heads and a cam installed, and gained ZERO extra hp. Danny's helper said "its cause you have no extra boost"...thats such BS. Ported heads with same boost should yield alot more power, but for some reason no car ever seems to make more power on that dyno. But people keep going back and paying 500-700 for 2 more hp, or 20 LESS hp. Plus the whole experience over there SUCKED. Total attitude problem around there. Back to the subject at hand, lol...
There is a device in the back of mustang magazines, which is basically their version of the scanmaster for stangs. It shows knock retard and everything. Unfortunately, no one knows how incredibly powerful this scan tool could be for tuning their own cars. Had I never owned a GN, and had the extender/scanmaster combo, I probably never would have known to look for something like this either. Theres 1 company that had ads out in MMFF years ago, where they basically were selling a chip like the extender. Totally tunable. Dont remember the name of it, and it was cheap for a mustang chip. Between this and that scan tool, they had all the power in the world at their hands, to tune everything, but never knew it. The only other options are FAST and then thers the Tweecer, which involves a laptop and a ribbon cable that runs to some box, and then to the computer. You can tune 1000 times more stuff with the tweecer than we can with the extender, but it costs over 500 bucks, and there is so much crap to learn, most people dont bother. The solution is there for the mustang people, but SCT and diablo have seen to it that the user friendly solution isnt known to any mustang owner. They also have convinced everyone that tuning is incredibly hard and its better to leave it up to them..Well if you tune rpm cell by rpm cell by rpm cell like alot of these guys do, which is useless the second the weather changes, it is hard. But if you run a MAF thats calibrated for the injectors you have, then you can run a stock computer with no chip, even on a blown 9 second car. Only reason to have a chip is so you can pull timing, but there are ways around that.
 
OK my only input for this...You're running a 49 :confused:
If I upgrade the Turbo it's a 44 or larger..ok back under my rock :D
 
A properly tuned & prepared TA-49 combo. on drag radials is all that is needed to show "MOST" stockish cobras Regal tail lights. A prepped stock turbo combo. on slicks could do it too...... easily.
 
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