Cop prevented NFL runningback from being with dying mother-in-law

I felt very bad for the guy as I originally read about this in the paper. I felt horrible for the poor guy through the whole story until it said "The family thinks this is a racial issue". Give me a freakin break. I'm not racist at all and never pass judgement based on race. I wish we could all just realize race wars are pretty much over.

Now, you have to rush your wife to the hospital because her mother is dying. Things are tense. You are tense. You decide to break the law and run a red light. Well, because you broke the law, you get pulled over. You are now VERY TENSE and not happy. You show the cop no respect, the cop is pissed, you are pissed, theres no happy ending with this situation. Who knows what words or actions the NFL player made towards the cop. Tough situation on both sides of the table. Just please dont bring it up as a freakin racial issue. Just a hard situation.
 
No need to argue about this.
Cops point of view – fock him he broke the law I pulled him over and took 10 minutes to right a ticket
Civilian’s point of view – fock him I have some one dying right now he should understand my crisis.

Cops mother is dying and he breaks the same laws and gets pulled over he shows his fellow co-worker his Badge/ID and every thing is over in 2 seconds with no tickets.
 
I guess compassion and sympathy are two things this guy didn't learn in the academy or in life. I recently lost my mother to breast cancer and can tell you I would've done ANYTHING to be with her in those last moments. Luckily for me I was at home with her as she was in Hospice, but in this situation I personally feel he should've taken his information and let him go to the hospital.

I think anyone with that particular experience that can relate first hand will always feel that way and maybe ur right? But I can tell you that I chased many cars into the ER after recieving a call of someone traveling at a high rate of speed cutting people off and operating recklessly. I'm not saying this guy was but I can tell you it's been more then a dozen instances in 13 years.

I could really care less about this particular subject but the cop bashing ignorance (Not you 86Brick) is getting so thick around here I just couldn't help myself......

I can tell you that all of those people were all Black males except two (Just stating facts, not making any racial comparisons) and all but (2) were rushing to the ER because their friend or relative was shot with a gun and they were rushing to see him. Those other (2) stopped lawfully and explained why they were operating recklessly and were enroute to the hospital. That took all of maybe 15-20 seconds to accomplish that:rolleyes:.

Not only did I let them go but I escorted them to the hospital lights and sirens and actually called the hopital to advise them what the problem was when they arrived. The problem was they were pregnant! THEY were having a medical problem! Yet they both obeyed the law and the law actually helped them get to where they were going. Traffic was a nightmare that day. It would have taken them (25) mintues to get to any hospital in the city and we got there in (5) minutes.

What most people outside the field of law enforcement don't realize is that those who are shot have family members enroute to the hospital at a high rate of speed and are not normally what one would consider pillars of the community. They too carry guns because they live that lifestyle and have had many friend and family members shot and killed. They also are more likely to have outstanding warrants and have weapons in their cars that are possibly stolen. They are not smart enough to dump their guns. Point is they ALL end up at the hospital after a shooting at a high rate of speed. Either victim or friend/family member.

Anytime a reports comes in that someone has been shot and their is no victim on scene I instruct officers to respond to all city hospitals and look for someone dropping off a shooting victim or any cars operating recklessly. Some are speeding to get there, other to get away after dumping off a shooting victim and leaving the scene because they too have weapons in the car or are possibly wanted persons.

Those driving the gun shot victims to the hospital were likely there when the shooting took place and may be armed as well for protection against a rival gang member or the Police. They are also potiental witnesses as well. And the vehicle would also be siezed as evidence. This has happened numerous times under the circumstances I described in cities all over the country. There is more to looking at a video then meets the eye. Sometimes the call doesn't come in to dispatch that there are shots fired and a victim and the cop simply makes an on site observation of someone operating recklessly. Again, cops are not mind readers.

I see a lot of members bashing cops. Sometimes cops do really stupid things and deserved to be hung by their balls for sure. But usually what ur seeing is just that, what YOU are SEEing. I veteran cop SEES things differently then others do and plays out these senerios in his mind. It's what prepairs him for the worst so he can go home to his family that night. Over reacting can get you suspended or maybe worse. Under reacting usually gets you killed or worse.... Ya know, like eaten thru a staw.

So there are a lot of possibilities that could have transpired and any seasoned cop will have these thoughts running thru his head when following behind a vehicle that is refusing to stop. And lets face the facts, 99% of those failing to stop from the police are criminals and are running for a reason. Was this an exception? Of course it was. There are responsible ways to handle a situation like that by stopping and there is the way this guy handled it.

When you primarily deal with the worst of people it becomes your survival mode when ur working. Who calls the police to tell them what a great job they are doing?:rolleyes: I have yet to get that call.

I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong in this guys mind, i'm just saying there are other things to consider when you are pursuing someone and they are failing to pull over. I hospital is no exception sorry.

We place officers in the trama room after a shooting for just that reason. What do you think would happen if someone came in and shot the person the hospital was working on after just being shot? Think it hasn't happened before?

They would sue the PD because they were aware of it and did nothing to protect him. Obviously someone was trying to kill him. These are the things that are or atleast the things that should be going thru the mind of a cop. Id rather be judged by 6 then carried by 12. Some cops are a liitle more cautious then others and handle a situation like that with more poise. But that dosen't mean the guy did anything wrong.

I'm sure that guys intentions were to simply see his mother because she was sick. No one doubts that. But that is something he knew, not the officer. I did over hear them say that their mother was ill and wanted to be with her but like I said sometimes things are not as they seem. It would have taken seconds to resolve that situation if he had just stopped. That's the bottom line!

I realize cops are sopposed to be sensitive but when you work in Dallas which has quite a few shootings each year your sensitivity shield becomes weakened i'm sure...
 
Cops mother is dying and he breaks the same laws and gets pulled over he shows his fellow co-worker his Badge/ID and every thing is over in 2 seconds with no tickets.

And the same thing would have happen if this guy stopped and explained himself. In 2 seconds it might have been over. Ok, maybe 15-20 seconds considering the cop actually has to walk up to the car....:rolleyes:
 
And the same thing would have happen if this guy stopped and explained himself. In 2 seconds it might have been over. Ok, maybe 15-20 seconds considering the cop actually has to walk up to the car....:rolleyes:



You could be right.
Would you have taken his word about the emergency?
Or
Would you have been "yeahh right trying to get out of a ticket"?
 
You could be right.
Would you have taken his word about the emergency?
Or
Would you have been "yeahh right trying to get out of a ticket"?

Well I have stopped many who have given a laundry list of excuses to get out of a ticket and each case is handled differently given the circumstances. With two older females in the car and the fact that they were apparently a close proximity to the hospital I would not have just taken his word but I would have allowed him to continue safely.

People who are frantic when driving become a great danger to the public and them selves as well when they go blowing thru red lights and stop signs to get to the hospital. That's why the police have sirens and lights to warn people so they are not T-boned at an intersection. Think that hasn't happened either? It doesn't exempt them from continuing to the hospital safely and lawfully.

I would have certainly allowed them to follow me to the hospital to verify if I had any doubt. They will get there quickly and safely. You can't just ignore an officer when a family member is having an emergency. It's not like the guy stopped immediately in the hospital parking lot and the cop didn't believe his story. He was pursuing him for some time so of course the cop is gonna be suspicious and cauious.

Again, if he had stopped immediately he would have gotten to the hospital in just about the same time. In fact, in enough time to see his mother before she passed. It's not the cops fault he wasn't there. It was the guy refusing to stop for the police when the police have no idea why he is running.

And their Chief is a big Fuking coward to go on TV and appologize for this guys actions. Chief positions like that in big cities are all politics and Dallas has quite a few blacks.

If Joe Arpaio (Maricopa County Sheriff) was the Chief he would have told the press if he had just stopped lawfully there would have been no problem and he would have been enroute to the hospital likely with a police escort.
 
I think anyone with that particular experience that can relate first hand will always feel that way and maybe ur right? But I can tell you that I chased many cars into the ER after recieving a call of someone traveling at a high rate of speed cutting people off and operating recklessly. I'm not saying this guy was but I can tell you it's been more then a dozen instances in 13 years.

I could really care less about this particular subject but the cop bashing ignorance (Not you 86Brick) is getting so thick around here I just couldn't help myself......

I can tell you that all of those people were all Black males except two (Just stating facts, not making any racial comparisons) and all but (2) were rushing to the ER because their friend or relative was shot with a gun and they were rushing to see him. Those other (2) stopped lawfully and explained why they were operating recklessly and were enroute to the hospital. That took all of maybe 15-20 seconds to accomplish that:rolleyes:.

Not only did I let them go but I escorted them to the hospital lights and sirens and actually called the hopital to advise them what the problem was when they arrived. The problem was they were pregnant! THEY were having a medical problem! Yet they both obeyed the law and the law actually helped them get to where they were going. Traffic was a nightmare that day. It would have taken them (25) mintues to get to any hospital in the city and we got there in (5) minutes.

What most people outside the field of law enforcement don't realize is that those who are shot have family members enroute to the hospital at a high rate of speed and are not normally what one would consider pillars of the community. They too carry guns because they live that lifestyle and have had many friend and family members shot and killed. They also are more likely to have outstanding warrants and have weapons in their cars that are possibly stolen. They are not smart enough to dump their guns. Point is they ALL end up at the hospital after a shooting at a high rate of speed. Either victim or friend/family member.

Anytime a reports comes in that someone has been shot and their is no victim on scene I instruct officers to respond to all city hospitals and look for someone dropping off a shooting victim or any cars operating recklessly. Some are speeding to get there, other to get away after dumping off a shooting victim and leaving the scene because they too have weapons in the car or are possibly wanted persons.

Those driving the gun shot victims to the hospital were likely there when the shooting took place and may be armed as well for protection against a rival gang member or the Police. They are also potiental witnesses as well. And the vehicle would also be siezed as evidence. This has happened numerous times under the circumstances I described in cities all over the country. There is more to looking at a video then meets the eye. Sometimes the call doesn't come in to dispatch that there are shots fired and a victim and the cop simply makes an on site observation of someone operating recklessly. Again, cops are not mind readers.

I see a lot of members bashing cops. Sometimes cops do really stupid things and deserved to be hung by their balls for sure. But usually what ur seeing is just that, what YOU are SEEing. I veteran cop SEES things differently then others do and plays out these senerios in his mind. It's what prepairs him for the worst so he can go home to his family that night. Over reacting can get you suspended or maybe worse. Under reacting usually gets you killed or worse.... Ya know, like eaten thru a staw.

So there are a lot of possibilities that could have transpired and any seasoned cop will have these thoughts running thru his head when following behind a vehicle that is refusing to stop. And lets face the facts, 99% of those failing to stop from the police are criminals and are running for a reason. Was this an exception? Of course it was. There are responsible ways to handle a situation like that by stopping and there is the way this guy handled it.

When you primarily deal with the worst of people it becomes your survival mode when ur working. Who calls the police to tell them what a great job they are doing?:rolleyes: I have yet to get that call.

I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong in this guys mind, i'm just saying there are other things to consider when you are pursuing someone and they are failing to pull over. I hospital is no exception sorry.

We place officers in the trama room after a shooting for just that reason. What do you think would happen if someone came in and shot the person the hospital was working on after just being shot? Think it hasn't happened before?

They would sue the PD because they were aware of it and did nothing to protect him. Obviously someone was trying to kill him. These are the things that are or atleast the things that should be going thru the mind of a cop. Id rather be judged by 6 then carried by 12. Some cops are a liitle more cautious then others and handle a situation like that with more poise. But that dosen't mean the guy did anything wrong.

I'm sure that guys intentions were to simply see his mother because she was sick. No one doubts that. But that is something he knew, not the officer. I did over hear them say that their mother was ill and wanted to be with her but like I said sometimes things are not as they seem. It would have taken seconds to resolve that situation if he had just stopped. That's the bottom line!

I realize cops are sopposed to be sensitive but when you work in Dallas which has quite a few shootings each year your sensitivity shield becomes weakened i'm sure...


I can certainly understand your point of view as a cop and the difficult situations you have to deal with on a daily basis, but obviously with me being a normal citizen those things wouldn't enter into my mind especially with all the emotions you're going through when you know you're losing a loved one/family member. Guess it basically comes down to a person's perspective and in this case it was unfortunately two different perspectives.

Without a doubt this may have been able to be avoided "IF" he had composure and was able to explain the situation to the officer, but I think he was honestly just more concerned with seeing his mother-in-law before she passed.

FWIW and I can promise you this is a true story;

When I was about 5-6 years old my Mom was driving me to see some family and I had suddenly started getting extremely bad stomach pains in the back seat to the point that I was basically screaming in pain. My Mom of course, like any concerned mother, was rushing to get me to the nearest ER and was pulled over in West Palm Beach. She pulled over and stayed in the car, but when the officier got to the window let's just say she used more than a few not so nice words to the cop about how if something happened to her son that he would be held responsible and that would be the least of his problems!:eek: The cop immediately gave us a police escort to the ER and it turned out that I came very close to having my appendix burst as it was seriously inflamed.
 
For those of you who say this has nothing to do w/ race, you are full of it! Im the average white guy that is sick of minorities pulling the race card but in this case, i think that cop gave him a hard time because he was black. I just cant see any other reason for his non-compassion, even after being told by another officer that his story was legit. This officer needs to be fired and not be able to be in any form of law enforcement ever again. When your boss, i.e. the police chief, says its hard to describe your actions in a professional manner, you probably f*cked up! And for those of you whose response is "who cares". Well it looks like alot of people care. The average, law abiding American is sick and tired of hearing these stories of dipsh*t cops acting like douchebags. It just seems like in the past 10-15 years police actions are getting worse. For all you cops out there, maybe you can tell us why this is!:rolleyes:

James
 
i have to agree with you on this one brett, all the guy had to do was stop and tell him the situation, not react like he did. it was his mother in law, not his mother so people can't compare it to their situations of a parent dying.
 
For those of you who say this has nothing to do w/ race, you are full of it! Im the average white guy that is sick of minorities pulling the race card but in this case, i think that cop gave him a hard time because he was black. I just cant see any other reason for his non-compassion, even after being told by another officer that his story was legit. This officer needs to be fired and not be able to be in any form of law enforcement ever again. When your boss, i.e. the police chief, says its hard to describe your actions in a professional manner, you probably f*cked up! And for those of you whose response is "who cares". Well it looks like alot of people care. The average, law abiding American is sick and tired of hearing these stories of dipsh*t cops acting like douchebags. It just seems like in the past 10-15 years police actions are getting worse. For all you cops out there, maybe you can tell us why this is!:rolleyes:

James

Oh God another street lawyer....:rolleyes: This board is full of em.... And the race card to boot. That's funny cause it looks like a SUV with a blacked out rear window so how is it he knew he was black when he was pursuing him from behind?

Nice try with the racial BS. But ur ship just sank....:rolleyes: You wanna know why cops appear to fuk up cause they have to deal with sh!theads like you.

It's people like you that make this cop fear for his job after doing his job and come out with some apology cause if not he'd be looken at termination for doing his JOB. What a joke!

It's morons like you that pull the race card and make a simple MV violation into a race issue with nothing to back it up other then one was white and one was black. But if it was a black officer stopping him then the race card gets put away. Grow up and learn to actually develop a thought of your own.
 
Typical cop:rolleyes: I have a thought of my own, and my thought was that if that guy was white that cop would have treated him different. If you knew anything about me you would know im the last guy that is going to defend any type of race issues, but in this case, I am. Sorry if you dont see it in this situation. Did you even bother to watch the entire video? Where the f*ck do you think the guy was going w/ his flashers on pulling into a hospital parking lot in the middle of the night? A little compassion goes a long way in this world and this PIG had none! And since you resorted to call me a sh*thead, Ive got one for you. Go F*Ck yourself gnbrett! Thanks for showing us typical do-no-wrong blue sheild bullsh*t. I forgot that badge made you GOD!

James
 
[QUOTE Did you even bother to watch the entire video?

James[/QUOTE]

where can i see the full 14 min. video?? i only saw the one that wat like 3 1/2
min.
 
this a lot better then who cares.
Well I have stopped many who have given a laundry list of excuses to get out of a ticket and each case is handled differently given the circumstances. With two older females in the car and the fact that they were apparently a close proximity to the hospital I would not have just taken his word but I would have allowed him to continue safely. Good to see that you would have done the right thing.

People who are frantic when driving become a great danger to the public and them selves as well when they go blowing thru red lights and stop signs to get to the hospital. That's why the police have sirens and lights to warn people so they are not T-boned at an intersection. Think that hasn't happened either? It doesn't exempt them from continuing to the hospital safely and lawfully. good point This is why in my family we don't give bad news over the phone If we have an emergency we try to pick the person up or tell them to come over we something serious to tell you.

I would have certainly allowed them to follow me to the hospital to verify if I had any doubt. They will get there quickly and safely. You can't just ignore an officer when a family member is having an emergency. It's not like the guy stopped immediately in the hospital parking lot and the cop didn't believe his story. He was pursuing him for some time so of course the cop is gonna be suspicious and cauious.

Again, if he had stopped immediately he would have gotten to the hospital in just about the same time. In fact, in enough time to see his mother before she passed. It's not the cops fault he wasn't there. It was the guy refusing to stop for the police when the police have no idea why he is running. I do agree on the stopping right away stuff but dam once it was verified that it wasn't a BS story (I think at the 4 minute mark and after the hospital employee came out) he could have checked the boxes a little faster on the ticket and not carry on with the extra BS.

And their Chief is a big Fuking coward to go on TV and appologize for this guys actions. Chief positions like that in big cities are all politics and Dallas has quite a few blacks.

If Joe Arpaio (Maricopa County Sheriff) was the Chief he would have told the press if he had just stopped lawfully there would have been no problem and he would have been enroute to the hospital likely with a police escort.
 
All I have to say is..... "if I was a cop" (and my best friend has been a Sheriff for a long time)

When the nurses came out and said "your mother in law needs you----she is dying" I would have let him go after the first time....... not kept him after 3 times of this happening...:rolleyes:

Cop was way out of line end of story and UNSUBSCRIBING right now. Have fun fella's...
 
Watched the whole video. Confirms my first impression. That cop was just being a prick. He deserves all the trouble he's going to get. I too am done with this thread.
 
Yep, like I said before, I felt vey very sorry for the guy until he pulled the race card out. The cop was wrong, so was the guy.
 
sorry guys , i agree the cop should have used a bit more common sence. but lets not bash GNBRETT, he's not the problem, i'm sure he's a great person and a very good police officer, ( lord knows we need officers like him ) at no time does brett say the officer was 100% correct in his actions, he even state's that the cop should have " have checked the boxes a little faster on the ticket and not carry on with the extra BS. brett's giving us a police officers point of view, and to some extent i agree pull over and explain the situation, i was pulled over while rushing to the Miami childrens hospital, i pulled over and explain'd -no ticket , the cop just told me try to slow down a bit and be careful, if you get into an accident then your going to make things worse, That was so true. I do not believe the cop should hold all the blame here, yes he could have skip'd all the B.S. (LIKE Brett said.) but the guy could have pulled over when the cop put his lights on, no excuse but the cop does'nt know what the hell is going on? STOP-&-EXPLAIN. 9x out of 10 the cop will give you an escort. could things have been handled(?) different of course. Sorry i was trying to stay out of it but i feel we're coming down a bit to harsh on GNBRETT, he's giving us a police officers view or thought process
that we ( who are not police officers ) would not even think of. Brett opinion and views should be respected as should all of ours, so lets put the childish name calling aside. I've never met Brett but i'm sure he's a stand-up guy. So please as much as we may not like what happened, LET'S NOT BASH ONE OF OUR OWN WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
 
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