TA Headers Installed!

[turbojimmy]

Funny, mine was the same size in the ports, the Felpro, the ones that come with the TA's and my copper gasket. Maybe you got a mis-cut gasket? Or maybe I did? Either way, mine's not had any more problems since pulling those junk gaskets, hopfully your's don't either

Yeah, like I said earlier I should probably pull the RH side, too. But since it's not leaking I'm going to leave it alone for now. At least until it's warm enough outside to start goofing around with the car again.

Jim

 

[TurboDave]

Huh? Look at the picture. The gasket ports are gi-normous and D shaped, no optical illusion there. When I lined them up on my 8445 stockers the gasket ports hung off the edge of the casting - same thing happened to Jimmy from the looks of the imprints in his gasket.

Keep in mind fellas that stage II ports are evenly spaced port to port. Size of the individual ports has nothing to do with whether it's stage or stock. Stage II heads are nothing like stock port spacing. The gaskets shown above are for stock "style" ports placement.

 

[Clark6]

well now that i think about it mine did not come with those gaskets the only one i had was the triangle & 2 doughnut gaskets its ok though i guess i didnt need to use them anyway...

 

[turbojimmy]

Keep in mind fellas that stage II ports are evenly spaced port to port. Size of the individual ports has nothing to do with whether it's stage or stock. Stage II heads are nothing like stock port spacing. The gaskets shown above are for stock "style" ports placement.

The plot thickens! If that's true, the included gaskets miss the mark pretty bad. The ports on the FelPros are probably too small as evidenced by the carbon on the ones I took off. No gasket solves the problem and works if you haven't warped your flanges.

Jim

 

[TurboDave]

The plot thickens! If that's true, the included gaskets miss the mark pretty bad. The ports on the FelPros are probably too small as evidenced by the carbon on the ones I took off. No gasket solves the problem and works if you haven't warped your flanges.

Jim

Here's a picture of my SII engine mocked up. Notice the port spacing is NOTHING like stock or stock style.

 

[DonnieShort]

Like I said and TurboDave confirmed, They aren't meant for a Stage 2, they are just poorly cut gaskets

 

[TurboBuRick]

With my iron heads, I'm going to try running no gaskets.
I'll post pics of the install.

 

[tom h]

A "Belleville" washer can often improve the "locking" of conventional bolts, much more so than any split-ring lockwasher. They are available from industrial suppliers such as McMaster-Carr. ... "Serrated safety washer" looks interesting but I haven't tried them yet

Also at McMaster-Carr I recently noticed "wedge lock" (Nord-Lock) washers which appear to do a similar function as the original TR header locking stud-washer assys. Search for part # 91074A131 (typical), to be taken to the correct catalog page.

An explanation of how Nord-Lock washers work, very clever! Nord-Lock - NL principle

 

[BEATAV8]

Like I said and TurboDave confirmed, They aren't meant for a Stage 2, they are just poorly cut gaskets

 

[PaCemkr86]

With my iron heads, I'm going to try running no gaskets.
I'll post pics of the install.

c-mon Rick lets see em

 

[TurboBuRick]

c-mon Rick lets see em

I've been so busy at work that I have no time for the car. Real soon though.

 

[turbojimmy]

Here's a couple of pics of mine. Once they're installed there's not much to see. And a pic of my new used Turbonetics T70 BB w/ a Precision housing.

 

[turbojimmy]

Yeah, like I said earlier I should probably pull the RH side, too. But since it's not leaking I'm going to leave it alone for now. At least until it's warm enough outside to start goofing around with the car again.

Jim

Here I am quoting myself like a geek but.....

I have a leak on the RH side now. I took the car out on the highway to see what my boost is set at and when I came back down the ramp I could hear it. Not sure if it's the turbo-to-header gasket or the header-to-head gasket but if I were a bettin' man.....

Jim

 

[TurboBuRick]

Well I was going to try no gaskets but after mocking up the driver side with coper rtv I removed it the next day and found the header flange is not matching up with the exhaust ports. You spend big money and still have to modify this crap. Who ever is doing the welding on the flanges is an idiot. They went into the flange too much and deformed the port. Now I have to deal with it. O and one more thing, You think that the flanges would be flat. They are going to have to go to the table belt sander. Even the good stuff sucks.

You can kinda see in the first pic, I used a file on the flange and its not touching a good portion. I would have to file my balls off. But I don't know what to do about the ports not mating. Going to have to run some kind of gasket. I hate crap like this, why the hell do all these manufactures want to weld on the inside of the flange. Our #1 headache is exhaust leaks thats why we by this stuff. My stockers would seal better than these. Frickin BS.

 

[turbojimmy]

Whose headers are those? TA's?

Jim

 

[TurboBuRick]

Whose headers are those? TA's?

Jim

Ya, SS TA's the $1000 dollar ones. Where yours like this?

Rick

 

[BEATAV8]

Whoa devastation!

Mine had a little spot here or there where the welder melted a tiny bit too much of the flange but nothing like what you have there. I think you should ask for an exchange.

 

[PaCemkr86]

humm.. not cool Rick...

but i keep hearing you get what you pay for ???

 

[Nick Micale]

Well I was going to try no gaskets but after mocking up the driver side with coper rtv I removed it the next day and found the header flange is not matching up with the exhaust ports. You spend big money and still have to modify this crap. Who ever is doing the welding on the flanges is an idiot. They went into the flange too much and deformed the port. Now I have to deal with it. O and one more thing, You think that the flanges would be flat. They are going to have to go to the table belt sander. Even the good stuff sucks.

You can kinda see in the first pic, I used a file on the flange and its not touching a good portion. I would have to file my balls off. But I don't know what to do about the ports not mating. Going to have to run some kind of gasket. I hate crap like this, why the hell do all these manufactures want to weld on the inside of the flange. Our #1 headache is exhaust leaks thats why we by this stuff. My stockers would seal better than these. Frickin BS.

If you have problems with a product, first thing you do is contact the supplier. Having sold and installed many of our headers, the problem you state has NEVER been reported.

It is welded on the inside of the flange because that is the best way to make these. All the flanges I have seen are flat and have no problem sealing the the head with or without a gasket.

Instead of just complaining here, call your supplier and the "problem" can and will be rectified. Certainly it is not going to be solved by just complaining.

The people doing these are not perfect like you, so give them a chance to handle the problem. If it is a mistake in manufacturing, the part WILL be replaced.

 

[TurboBuRick]

If you have problems with a product, first thing you do is contact the supplier. Having sold and installed many of our headers, the problem you state has NEVER been reported.

It is welded on the inside of the flange because that is the best way to make these. All the flanges I have seen are flat and have no problem sealing the the head with or without a gasket.

Instead of just complaining here, call your supplier and the "problem" can and will be rectified. Certainly it is not going to be solved by just complaining.

The people doing these are not perfect like you, so give them a chance to handle the problem. If it is a mistake in manufacturing, the part WILL be replaced.

Your right Nick, sorry to come off so harsh but I've been working on these all day. Here is some beter pics. You be the judge. Just for the record I am not perfect either.