Why Every Engine Builder Can't Build Buicks!

SGRIM

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It has been proven yet again. Everyone can't build Turbo V6's! I recently bought a WH1 that had just been rebuilt and had less than 30-50 miles on it. Talk about carnage:eek:

A chevy specialist rebuilt the motor turned the crank .10 over balanced it etc....

It chewed up the bearings bad and spunt #2. It appears the block wasn't line honed and the clearances were way to loose. I will be posting pics later today!

Just wanted to let guys know, carry it to a buick man. There was alot of money thrown away on this rebuild that could have been avoided!

Brian W and one of my guys pulled the motor and tranny last night, in under an hour btw:cool: and when the pan came off:eek:
 
What's the average Chevy tolerance for engine building?....I think you have to be able to see light through the bearings.:eek:
 
even Chevy motors need to be line bored/honed from time to time.
it's not the fact that he was a "Chevy specialist"- it's the fact that he cut a corner that shouldn't have been cut.
 
even Chevy motors need to be line bored/honed from time to time.
it's not the fact that he was a "Chevy specialist"- it's the fact that he cut a corner that shouldn't have been cut.

Usually the problem ends up being the "chevy builder" applies chevy clearances to the turbo buick motor, and that just doesn't work, ever.
 
Didn't get time for pics today will get monday. Hopefully Brian will post what he thinks on what happend too. Ugly just plain ugly!
 
Usually the problem ends up being the "chevy builder" applies chevy clearances to the turbo buick motor, and that just doesn't work, ever.

I think they apply more than just the clearnces making them blow.From what ive seen some like DLS and Bill Anderson clearances are right in line with most SBC clearances.SBC+loose=power,Buick+ loose=spun bearings

A SBC is just alot tougher than a Buick v6.

Hopefully it wont take much to fix the last guys mistake Shane!
 
I hope not..... One good thing I guess, looks like the block is an SG-1 replacement block. So far we think the damage was contained to the bearings. We may just try sticking a standard crank back in and having it honed. Brian is tearing in apart next week for me:cool:

That brings my total of down buick motors too 4:( 3 sets of head gaskets and now this....
 
even Chevy motors need to be line bored/honed from time to time.
it's not the fact that he was a "Chevy specialist"- it's the fact that he cut a corner that shouldn't have been cut.


That is a common problem with engine shops, and especially not good for those doing performance engines.:eek:

Here is what I have personally found over the many years I have done and supplied Buick engines.

The shop and/or owner must have 3 characteristics present in the operation of engine building - capability, ability and desireability.

Capability - the shop must have the proper equipment and machine tools to perform the necessary machining and assembly functions. They must be up to date with latest technology and be fit to the specific job.

For example, an alum block with ductile iron or steel liners must have different tooling and methods for cylinder finishing. The other shop equipment must be able to give the desired results, and do jobs on a consistant basis.

Ability - the person or persons doing the work from dis-assembly, cleaning, machining, fit and finish, etc. must have the experience to do each individual step of the process exceeding industry standards. They must be experts in all aspects machine work, assembly, cylinder head prep and flow and all other processes.

This "ability" comes from training, personal knowledge and experience. listening to customers, past, present and future is important. Lots of this knowledge comes from experience, but also feedback and hands-on experience in the field is also needed.

Desireability - this is what most shops lack, primarily because they are a production shop, and do not have the time or inclination to spend on "minor" items during the engine building process. Additional dollars are not always the answer here. Some shops have production schedules to keep, and will not vary.

If a minor "problem" is found in final assembly, will a production shop completely dis-assemble the engine to rectify it? Probably not as as removing a girdle, or whatever, is not in their plan or budget. This "minor" item could be an issue at 7000 RPM.:eek:

So how to find a shop to fit your specific needs? First, be able to specify your needs, wants and budget. Talk with the person in charge and see if they can, and want, to fill your requirements. Then check with customers that have had work done by them to see if they were satisified.

To comment on the original post, and specifically about bearing clearances, most of the bearing problems we see are from detonation, and the next most common is too tight bearing clearances, especially on the rods.

The Buick factory specs for the turbo motors are the same as for an economy 2 barrel V-6. Looking at the Buick Power Source manual and you will see much difference in their bearing specs - and we ARE talking performance builds here.:) Not far from SBC specs.

To freshen or rebuild any motor without doing a crank line bore is not smart. We have seen many problems because of lack this too. If you are saying no. 2 main bearing spun, something was way out of spec.:confused:

Hope you find a good shop to get it done right.
 
all this exactly why I am having my motor built by Dan...these motors require professional BUICK engine building experience...not the average SBC builder
 
+1 thats why i took mine to nick. Not everyone can build these motors the way they need to be built.
 
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