Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PS shows outstanding performance....
REALLY?.
Might look at this data log that proves otherwise.
Do you have a data log to justify your claim?. Any old actual lof file will work, just fine. Not just some off the cuff remark, please, lets see some data, to support your claim. Let's see a log of any ole car that signifigantly drops the MATs during a run without it being *far exceeding your requirements*.
Since YOU'VE labeled the Cotton's as 1,000 HP capacity Intercooler, and I'm not even close to being in that league, here's a file that shows how the MAT drops during a run. From using one that FAR EXCEEDS my *requirement*.
*Quoted from another posting of mine*:
Here's a run I did today just to illustrate a point. Note just 200 K/Pa, which is 15 PSI of boost, and only 1/2 throttle, the track conditions just weren't even close to allowing for a hard pass. But, notice the starting MAT was 95dF, and ending was 59dF.
Current weather:
39°F
Cloudy
Dew Point: 30°F
Humidity: 70%
Pressure: 30.12 inches
Wind: From the West at 13 mph
TimeStamp: 11/28/2004 - 11:08:04
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
14 0 725 63 52 2 179 95 4 21 1.50 2 14.7 15.8
14 0 700 73 57 13 179 95 4 21 1.77 2 14.7 15.9
14 0 900 97 65 30 179 95 4 22 2.47 4 13.2 15.9
14 0 1225 96 85 32 179 95 4 23 3.17 6 12.8 15.8
14 0 1475 95 88 33 179 95 757 26 3.30 8 12.5 12.9
14 0 1725 93 89 35 179 95 664 27 3.39 10 12.5 11.9
14 0 1875 99 91 44 179 95 739 28 3.57 11 12.5 12.9
14 0 1975 100 91 49 179 86 748 28 3.69 12 12.5 12.3
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
15 0 2000 101 91 51 179 86 770 28 3.69 12 12.5 11.1
15 0 2075 102 90 56 179 86 770 28 3.69 13 12.5 11.4
15 4 2150 105 88 58 179 86 677 28 3.69 13 12.5 11.1
15 4 2200 106 87 58 179 86 664 28 3.69 14 12.5 12.2
15 6 2275 110 84 59 179 86 655 29 3.78 14 12.5 12.4
15 6 2325 113 83 59 179 86 655 29 3.85 15 12.5 12.3
15 10 2350 114 83 59 179 86 602 30 3.81 15 12.5 12.3
15 10 2425 116 82 60 179 86 673 30 3.81 15 12.5 12.4
15 10 2475 119 82 60 179 86 726 30 3.91 16 12.5 12.6
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
16 10 2550 122 83 60 179 86 425 30 4.00 17 12.5 12.6
16 15 2625 124 83 60 179 86 686 30 4.00 17 12.5 12.6
16 13 2675 128 84 60 179 86 704 29 4.18 19 12.5 12.7
16 16 2750 132 84 60 179 86 575 29 4.27 20 12.5 12.8
16 19 2925 140 83 59 179 77 726 28 4.39 21 12.5 13.3
16 16 3025 145 83 59 179 77 491 27 4.58 23 12.5 13.2
16 22 3225 155 82 53 179 77 535 27 4.97 27 12.5 14.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
18 40 3800 205 80 47 179 68 717 25 6.26 40 12.5 13.7
18 42 3850 204 80 47 179 68 376 25 6.23 40 12.5 14.3
18 42 3875 201 80 47 179 68 668 25 6.13 40 12.5 13.8
18 43 3875 201 80 46 179 68 642 25 6.13 40 12.5 14.5
18 44 3925 200 80 46 179 68 633 25 6.13 40 12.5 14.4
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
19 46 3925 198 80 46 179 68 350 25 6.10 40 12.5 13.8
19 49 3650 200 80 45 179 68 597 25 6.20 38 12.5 14.3
19 49 3575 201 80 45 179 68 695 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 49 3525 201 80 46 179 68 292 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 49 3525 202 80 47 179 68 611 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.1
19 51 3525 202 80 47 179 68 580 25 6.29 37 12.5 14.4
19 51 3550 202 80 47 179 68 332 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.0
19 52 3550 204 80 47 177 68 668 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 53 3575 205 80 47 177 68 646 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.3
19 54 3575 205 80 47 177 68 332 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
23 76 3450 205 80 47 176 59 310 25 6.47 37 12.5 14.3
23 77 3475 205 80 46 175 59 588 25 6.47 37 12.5 13.7
23 78 3550 204 80 45 175 59 301 25 6.35 38 12.5 14.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
25 85 2600 204 83 41 173 59 628 25 6.35 28 12.5 13.2
25 85 2600 204 83 41 173 59 708 25 6.41 28 12.5 13.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
27 91 2775 205 84 41 173 59 341 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.0
27 91 2775 204 84 41 173 59 518 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
27 91 2775 204 84 41 173 59 699 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
27 92 2775 204 84 41 173 59 730 25 6.50 30 12.5 13.1
27 92 2800 204 84 41 173 59 350 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
This is with a Cotton's F/M.
TA62,
**91 Octane, 25d timing on 91 octane** I might add, obviously still working on the tune, this is my Syclone ecm code, 60 PPH injectors, 3 ACCEL- 300 CD's
By working on the tune, in this case also means developing code. ie my code is hundreds of lines shorter then the original.
As a side note, for those tuning using the oem sensor, PLEASE look at what the O2 volts are, and their correlation to the rrWB AFR.
Run-time
MPH-
MAP- actual
VE%-
TPS-percentage
CTS-Coolant temp
MAT-Manifold Air Temp
O2-O2 voltage
Sa- Spark advance
sPW-Injector Pulse Width
DC%- Duty Cycle
AFR- AFR the ecm is commanding
rrWB- Actual AFR the WB is seeing.
Joe, can you support YOUR claim?.
Maybe when you can, I'll take you seriously...........
Originally posted by Joe Lubrant
No need to use an intercooler that far exceeds your requirements.
REALLY?.
Might look at this data log that proves otherwise.
Do you have a data log to justify your claim?. Any old actual lof file will work, just fine. Not just some off the cuff remark, please, lets see some data, to support your claim. Let's see a log of any ole car that signifigantly drops the MATs during a run without it being *far exceeding your requirements*.
Since YOU'VE labeled the Cotton's as 1,000 HP capacity Intercooler, and I'm not even close to being in that league, here's a file that shows how the MAT drops during a run. From using one that FAR EXCEEDS my *requirement*.
*Quoted from another posting of mine*:
Here's a run I did today just to illustrate a point. Note just 200 K/Pa, which is 15 PSI of boost, and only 1/2 throttle, the track conditions just weren't even close to allowing for a hard pass. But, notice the starting MAT was 95dF, and ending was 59dF.
Current weather:
39°F
Cloudy
Dew Point: 30°F
Humidity: 70%
Pressure: 30.12 inches
Wind: From the West at 13 mph
TimeStamp: 11/28/2004 - 11:08:04
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
14 0 725 63 52 2 179 95 4 21 1.50 2 14.7 15.8
14 0 700 73 57 13 179 95 4 21 1.77 2 14.7 15.9
14 0 900 97 65 30 179 95 4 22 2.47 4 13.2 15.9
14 0 1225 96 85 32 179 95 4 23 3.17 6 12.8 15.8
14 0 1475 95 88 33 179 95 757 26 3.30 8 12.5 12.9
14 0 1725 93 89 35 179 95 664 27 3.39 10 12.5 11.9
14 0 1875 99 91 44 179 95 739 28 3.57 11 12.5 12.9
14 0 1975 100 91 49 179 86 748 28 3.69 12 12.5 12.3
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
15 0 2000 101 91 51 179 86 770 28 3.69 12 12.5 11.1
15 0 2075 102 90 56 179 86 770 28 3.69 13 12.5 11.4
15 4 2150 105 88 58 179 86 677 28 3.69 13 12.5 11.1
15 4 2200 106 87 58 179 86 664 28 3.69 14 12.5 12.2
15 6 2275 110 84 59 179 86 655 29 3.78 14 12.5 12.4
15 6 2325 113 83 59 179 86 655 29 3.85 15 12.5 12.3
15 10 2350 114 83 59 179 86 602 30 3.81 15 12.5 12.3
15 10 2425 116 82 60 179 86 673 30 3.81 15 12.5 12.4
15 10 2475 119 82 60 179 86 726 30 3.91 16 12.5 12.6
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
16 10 2550 122 83 60 179 86 425 30 4.00 17 12.5 12.6
16 15 2625 124 83 60 179 86 686 30 4.00 17 12.5 12.6
16 13 2675 128 84 60 179 86 704 29 4.18 19 12.5 12.7
16 16 2750 132 84 60 179 86 575 29 4.27 20 12.5 12.8
16 19 2925 140 83 59 179 77 726 28 4.39 21 12.5 13.3
16 16 3025 145 83 59 179 77 491 27 4.58 23 12.5 13.2
16 22 3225 155 82 53 179 77 535 27 4.97 27 12.5 14.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
18 40 3800 205 80 47 179 68 717 25 6.26 40 12.5 13.7
18 42 3850 204 80 47 179 68 376 25 6.23 40 12.5 14.3
18 42 3875 201 80 47 179 68 668 25 6.13 40 12.5 13.8
18 43 3875 201 80 46 179 68 642 25 6.13 40 12.5 14.5
18 44 3925 200 80 46 179 68 633 25 6.13 40 12.5 14.4
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
19 46 3925 198 80 46 179 68 350 25 6.10 40 12.5 13.8
19 49 3650 200 80 45 179 68 597 25 6.20 38 12.5 14.3
19 49 3575 201 80 45 179 68 695 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 49 3525 201 80 46 179 68 292 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 49 3525 202 80 47 179 68 611 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.1
19 51 3525 202 80 47 179 68 580 25 6.29 37 12.5 14.4
19 51 3550 202 80 47 179 68 332 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.0
19 52 3550 204 80 47 177 68 668 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
19 53 3575 205 80 47 177 68 646 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.3
19 54 3575 205 80 47 177 68 332 25 6.26 37 12.5 14.4
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
23 76 3450 205 80 47 176 59 310 25 6.47 37 12.5 14.3
23 77 3475 205 80 46 175 59 588 25 6.47 37 12.5 13.7
23 78 3550 204 80 45 175 59 301 25 6.35 38 12.5 14.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
25 85 2600 204 83 41 173 59 628 25 6.35 28 12.5 13.2
25 85 2600 204 83 41 173 59 708 25 6.41 28 12.5 13.0
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
27 91 2775 205 84 41 173 59 341 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.0
27 91 2775 204 84 41 173 59 518 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
27 91 2775 204 84 41 173 59 699 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
27 92 2775 204 84 41 173 59 730 25 6.50 30 12.5 13.1
27 92 2800 204 84 41 173 59 350 25 6.47 30 12.5 13.1
Run Mph Rpm Map VE% Tps CTS MAT O2 Sa sPW DC% AFR rrWB
This is with a Cotton's F/M.
TA62,
**91 Octane, 25d timing on 91 octane** I might add, obviously still working on the tune, this is my Syclone ecm code, 60 PPH injectors, 3 ACCEL- 300 CD's
By working on the tune, in this case also means developing code. ie my code is hundreds of lines shorter then the original.
As a side note, for those tuning using the oem sensor, PLEASE look at what the O2 volts are, and their correlation to the rrWB AFR.
Run-time
MPH-
MAP- actual
VE%-
TPS-percentage
CTS-Coolant temp
MAT-Manifold Air Temp
O2-O2 voltage
Sa- Spark advance
sPW-Injector Pulse Width
DC%- Duty Cycle
AFR- AFR the ecm is commanding
rrWB- Actual AFR the WB is seeing.
Joe, can you support YOUR claim?.
Maybe when you can, I'll take you seriously...........