Re: manual brakes
Originally posted by POWERBRAKEBOB
1) PLEASE, PLEASE, RUN MANUAL BRAKES ON YOUR CAR, NO ONE ELSE DOES.
2) There has not been a car produced by ANY automaker with manual brakes in 33 years.
3) If your car is the fastest drag race car in the U.S., you win.
4) Manual brakes is like flying a 747 with a tiller. yeah, it might work, but who wants to?
5) Disc brakes need double the volume, and double the line pressure over drum brakes. That is in any book on brakes.
6) If you like to leg up 1200 psi every time you stop, great.
7) For some reason, you are taking this personal. It's not.
8) AS IT RELATES TO BUICK GRAND NATIONALS. Anybody here can test all 4 systems out to their heart's content.
9) I work with GM, Baer, and Wilwood. They refer people here. If manual brakes work better than power, try to stop a 20,000 lb truck with the booster disconnected, down a mountain.....
1) You're now demonstrating how poorly informed you are on the issue. Try attending BG in a coule of weeks and count the cars running manuals.
2) That you know of?, or are you really sure about that?. There are alot of automakers, out there. To state none have used manual brakes in the last 33 years seems to cover alot of cars.
3) Now that's just a lame comment.
4) Tiller?, hmm, I do believe the 747 does not use Fly by wire, so in fact it is still a tiller.
5) It would have been simplier to say that the drum equipped cars have the advantage of being self energizing. But, the issue isn't about disc to drum, it's about power assist, and how much is needed.
6) They system develops the pressure, so I don't have to *leg up 1,200 PSI*.
7) Personal?, not at all, but I will debate opinions that counter real world experiences, I've had. While you're posted opinions, and sweeping generalizations, I've posted facts, with supporting refences to related materials.
8) My point exactly, I'm talking about GNs, and real data to support what I've found, YOU HAVEN'T.
9) I'm so impressed......
Have you read the July Chevy High performance Magazine?. I'll refer you to page, 88. After installing 13", and 12" rear discs on a Cavalier, the car took a foot longer to stop from 60. What do you figure they spent on that update?. So while Baer without does some good work, they seemed to have missed the ball on that set up.
Like you said the issue is GNs, and several times in your reply you took to nonsensical responses with non GN comments.
You're going to need some numbers to gain back any credibility at this point, IMO.