Goodbye to Pontiac

Mike Licht

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I just got an alert the GM killed Pontiac today, another brand down the tubes. They decided to keep GMC which in my mind is stupid but hey what do I know, I did not get billions from the goverment
MIke
 
Now, I can't see them ditching any brands. If you have less to offer, then you will sell less. Pontiac can have a car that under the skin is exactly the same as a Chevy model, but there will be people that will never buy the Chevy. They are going to lose more customers that way.
They will never get rid of Buick. It beat Lexus and...was it Jaguar for quality. Buick is also real popular as an export. That would be suicide with a rope and a gun.
 
Here's an article :/


GM Said to Preserve GMC Brand, Eliminate Pontiac in New Plan
By Jeff Green and Katie Merx

April 24 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., facing the threat of a bankruptcy filing if it can’t meet a June 1 U.S. deadline, will preserve the GMC truck line and drop its 83-year- old Pontiac brand as part of a government-led recalibration of its business plan, people familiar with the decision said.

The Detroit automaker will keep the GMC, Chevrolet, Cadillac and Buick brands, after a review that included profitability with the Obama administration’s automotive task force, said the people, who asked not to be named because the decisions have not been announced. GM may reveal next week the end of the make that produced the Grand Prix, Bonneville and Firebirds, they said.

“I hate to see these brands go, they are a part of the American experience,” said John Wolkonowicz, a forecaster and auto historian at IHS Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts. “If you were growing up in the 1960s, Pontiac was the hottest thing going.”

Pontiac spawned the “muscle car” era in 1964 when it stuffed a 389-cubic-inch V8 engine into a Tempest and called it the GTO. Killing the brand highlights the changes GM is being forced to make to survive in its second century of carmaking.

GM had already decided late last year to cut Pontiac to a niche brand, possibly with just one model, to sell alongside Buick and GMC in combined showrooms. To cut from its roster of eight U.S. brands, GM has said it will sell or shut Hummer, Saab and Saturn.

Steve Harris, a GM spokesman, declined to comment on the brands.

Savings Needed

“I should have seen the signs: You can’t even order a 2010 Pontiac G6,” said Russ Shelton, a Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. “Once they make this announcement, those are basically sales-proof.”

Chief Executive Officer Fritz Henderson is in a race against the June deadline set by President Barack Obama to find more savings from unions, creditors and operations.

A Pontiac announcement next week may be part of an outline of a plan to close plants and scrap models as much as four years sooner than planned to lower its break-even point, the people said.

The cuts may mean GM can be profitable in a U.S. market with sales of as few as 10 million autos, said the people. The annual sales rate was 9.9 million in March, after GM said Feb. 17 its break-even target was 11.5 million to 12 million.

The number of brands is part of a discussion on how to speed up the winnowing of GM’s 6,200 dealer locations to 4,100 sites as quickly as possible, said one person.

Pickup Innovator

GMC’s truck-building history dates to 1902, when brothers Max and Morris Grabowsky sold their first commercial model to a Detroit dry cleaner, according to GM’s Web site. Their Rapid Motor Vehicle Co. was absorbed by GM in 1912, along with two other Detroit-based commercial-vehicle makers, GM said.

By 1915, GMC produced the first light-duty vehicle with the basic configuration of a modern pickup, according to the automaker. GMC’s U.S. sales fell 26 percent last year to 376,996, making it GM’s second-largest brand after Chevrolet.

The Pontiac brand was first sold by GM in 1926, and U.S. sales peaked at 896,980 in 1978, according to trade publication Automotive News. Pontiac’s domestic deliveries fell 25 percent to 267,348 in 2008.

Muscle-Car Brand

Pontiac originated as part of the Oakland Car Co. of Pontiac, Michigan, in 1907. GM acquired Oakland in 1909 and introduced the first Pontiac vehicle in 1926 at the New York auto show. The Pontiac models were so popular they replaced the division’s namesake Oakland models.

By the 1950s, Pontiac sales were flagging as the brand was seen as an “old ladies” car with its signature “silver streaks” of chrome on the hood and trunk, Wolkoniwicz said.

In 1956, Semon “Bunkie” Knudsen took over the division, stripped off the streaks for the 1957 models and started making the changes that led to the GTO in 1964 -- including the trademark split grill, Wolkoniwicz said.

Pontiac was the third best-selling brand in the early 1960s, passing Plymouth, which DaimlerChrysler AG killed in 2001, and trailing only Ford and Chevy.

Pontiac also had success in the 1960s and 1970s with its Firebird and Firebird Trans Am -- featured in the 1977 movie “Smokey and the Bandit,” staring Burt Reynolds and Sally Field.

“I’d rather keep it,” said David Cole, co-owner of the Cole Valley Pontiac Cadillac dealership located near the Lordstown, Ohio, assembly plant that builds the Pontiac G5. “The sooner they make clear what they’re going to do with the brand, the better it will be for us. I will survive. I just have to be able to plan.”

Plans Stepped Up

GM rose 6 cents, or 3.7 percent, to $1.68 at 10:21 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have tumbled 90 percent in the past year on concern that the company may collapse after $82 billion in losses since 2004.

GM has stepped up planning for both a new business model and a potential bankruptcy since late March, when the Obama administration asked CEO Rick Wagoner to resign and said it would back a “quick-rinse” bankruptcy to cut debt and other costs if GM couldn’t do so in 60 days.

Chevrolet and Cadillac are GM’s strongest brands and Buick is popular in China. GMC and Buick are both profitable, Henderson said April 17. Pontiac was scheduled for as few as one model, so killing it wasn’t as significant a step as deleting one of the other brands, one person said.

“Pontiac was the first real muscle car and the government doesn’t want muscle cars,” favoring fuel-efficient models, Wolkonowicz said. “I’m sad to see this brand go, it’s truly iconic.”
 
Well, buy a Honda and it lasts (20) years. Buy a Pontiac and it last (5) years. I have owned (2) Pontiacs and they were biggest pieces of chit I ever owned. Pretty simple. The G8 was short lived. I really liked that car tho.
 
Damn shame. We are really going down the crapper. Getting rid of GMC, that makes too much sense.:rolleyes: Probably why they didn't do it.
 
Well, buy a Honda and it lasts (20) years. Buy a Pontiac and it last (5) years. I have owned (2) Pontiacs and they were biggest pieces of chit I ever owned. Pretty simple. The G8 was short lived. I really liked that car tho.

who keeps a "driver" for 20 years ??? maybe you didn't beat on the Pontiacs hard enuff. :p
 
Ouch!

The only thing keeping Buick is that it is the top Brand in China!

I agree with Mike, Don't see the GMC logic, it must be making $$?
 
GMC makes a ton of commerical trucks.. chevy truck should end not GMC. .
Olds was the only one putting the big cube engines in two years before B-P-C , buicks were the ones spanking up on all of them in 70.... its sad but it was much more sad when Olds was axed. Oldsmobile was the inovation branch. pontiac was just a brand that i never really cared much about. buicks were the ones quietly winning on the streets and doing it with class.
 
Some of Pontiac product might get rebadged, Buicks two cars are built on platforms that Chevy and Cadiliac use. If gm goes bankrupt, Chevy and Cadiliac will be the "Good Assets" everthing else goes to "Bad Assets". The good would be left.
 
What's this do to the value of the '02 Trans Am I just bought?

Hopefully it should go up for you since they will no longer make Pontiacs and you will have the last year for the f-body. Most parts are interchangeable from the camaros so that shouldn't be a big issue.
 
Isn't the G8 built by Holden (sp)? & Chevy powerd.The only thing Pontiac is the trim.


I don't like the way the goverment is running.When the Dem's get there fat man tax put on soda there is going to be trouble!
 
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