Bush to give "clear vision" of Iraq,Mon.

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
God told Bush to run for president, just ask him. God told him to free the Iraqi's and don't worry, God will make sure he is re-elected. His vision is clear!

Don't believe me, watch "The Jesus Factor" pbs.org

87We4ster I give credit when credit's due. I watched the entire episode from the PBS site and must say it was excellent. I'm not sure if you wanted people to watch it to prove GWB is some sort of religious nut or man of deep conviction. I will say that after watching it I stand behind GWB even more. He definitely doesn't serve up waffles.

As far as your objections to religion in government I understand, but what GWB's doing is totally legal and poses no Constitutional issues. As stated in the clip "congress shall make no law". The President's policies aren't prohibited by the Constitution, only Congressional action is. This is where I differ with you. Our founding fathers didn't intend to completely eliminate religion from our government, otherwise they would have prohibited Presidential religious policy via the Consititution. Obviously they didn't do that.

Thanks again for the great program.

 

[87We4ster]

Legal doesnt make it right!

President Bush's statement that he asked God for advice before starting war with Iraq deserves attention. It gives Bush's war a special context.
Unlike most presidents, Bush wears his religion on his sleeve. He has said that God wanted him to be president, that only Christians go to heaven, that creationism as well as evolution should be taught to children, that Jesus is his favorite philosopher.
The idea of going to war because God is on your side is something alien to American history. The Founding Fathers did not appeal to religion, they were deists or Unitarians. America's wars of the past century were fought over national interests, not religious ones.
Pre-emptive war, religiously motivated or not, is never just war. War is a matter of national, not religious, interests.

 

[TurboJunky]

What a nut!

Originally posted by Foolis
And why don't you go into the bathroom, and shove your head up your A$$...Wait! it already is! YOUR policy has DIRECT impact on my everyday life, so sit back and suck on it, Tinkerbell.
Its knee-jerk reactions like yours that makes me wonder about the collective lucidity of the comman American.

Here's $5.00 USF, go buy yourself a personality.

Funny how they lash out like a cornered rat when they are threatened....Loser.

BT
PS....GDW approval is @ an ALL TIME LOW. Wonder Y?

I'd expect nothing else from you besides sharp tongued, hot-under-the-collar insults.

I said you have "socialistic views" which is obviously true. I also said you have no vote (or voice) in our election or policies which is also true.

I must have hit a sore spot. It's obviously frustrating being you and without power or voice in the world. If you weren't so envious of the USA you wouldn't be so wound up. Canada isn't the target of terrorists, you're as safe as the Swiss up there so relax Michael Moore Jr.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
Pre-emptive war, religiously motivated or not, is never just war. War is a matter of national, not religious, interests.

This war is anything but pre-emptive. Saddam had 12 years to prepare for it. A sudden and deliberate attack is what I call pre-emptive.

I didn't see this as a religious war. Apparently you know something I don't. I saw a case made for WMD and numerous violations of the cease fire agreement and UN resolutions.

 

[87We4ster]

"This war is anything but pre-emptive"

Wasn't bushbaby's reason for invading Iraq based on his axis of evil theory? Isnt he trying to rid the world of terrorism? Didn't he say that he would take action against any country that supported terrorism?
In my "opinion" if you attack a country you suspect of having WMD's or that you think is supporting terrorism, thats pre-emptive! We werent attacked by Iraq. Afghanistan was not pre-emptive, terrorists in that country did attack us. And we retaliated with just cause!

"I didn't see this as a religious war"

You don't................Bushbaby does!...........just my "opinion".

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
"This war is anything but pre-emptive"

Wasn't bushbaby's reason for invading Iraq based on his axis of evil theory?

Yes, but it wasn't the only reason. As I mentioned Saddam violated resolutions and cease fire agreements.

Originally posted by 87We4ster
Isnt he trying to rid the world of terrorism?

Yes, but that's not the only reason for the invasion of Iraq. Refer to answer #1.

Originally posted by 87We4ster
Didn't he say that he would take action against any country that supported terrorism?

I don't believe so. I believe he stated "either you're for us or you're for the terrorists". I think he said the world community wouldn't tolerate terrorist states or those who support terrorists.

Originally posted by 87We4ster
In my "opinion" if you attack a country you suspect of having WMD's or that you think is supporting terrorism, thats pre-emptive!

You may be correct if you isolate your argument for taking on Iraq SOLELY on either WMD or terrorism. As I stated numerous times not only did we (and the world) confirm Iraq failed to disclose their destruction of WMD program but; supported terrorist organizations, violated UN resolutions, fired on our aircraft, stifled inspections and so on.

Originally posted by 87We4ster
"I didn't see this as a religious war"

You don't................Bushbaby does!...........just my "opinion".

There wasn't any evidence presented to congress (who authorized this action) about a religious war. There isn't even anything in the liberal press about this being a religious war. If it's a holy war in any way it's on the side of Muslim extremists. I recall many years ago them calling for a "jihad" (holy war) against the US.

 

[87We4ster]

I know bushbaby is stupid, but do you really think he would go before congress and say that this is a holly war?
What do you know about born-again christians?
1. They're whole life revolves around religion!

Answer me this, why hasnt bush sr. spoken up about the war?

Saddam violated U.N. resolutions...It was up to the U.N. to respond! Bush violated it and attacked Iraq on his own.
We've had this discussion before and there is no need to beat a dead horse...This is just my "opinion"!

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
I know bushbaby is stupid, but do you really think he would go before congress and say that this is a holly war?
What do you know about born-again christians?
1. They're whole life revolves around religion!

Answer me this, why hasnt bush sr. spoken up about the war?

Saddam violated U.N. resolutions...It was up to the U.N. to respond! Bush violated it and attacked Iraq on his own.
We've had this discussion before and there is no need to beat a dead horse...This is just my "opinion"!

<sigh>....pointless. I've given you examples and facts only to see you skip right over/ignore them.

 

[STAGE 2]

Originally posted by 87We4ster
What do you know about born-again christians?

A fair amount considering I am one, and judging by your posts you wouldnt know what the inside of a church looked like if I drew you a picture. So rather than making a statement about an area of knowledge that you know little if anything about, take a time out and sit on the sidelines until something comes along that you can contribute a well thought out rational statement to...

...of course that means that none of us on the board would ever hear from you again.

 

[Foolis]

Canada isn't the target of terrorists, you're as safe as the Swiss up there so relax Michael Moore Jr.

Ah..in your obvious infinite wisdom, you once again are wrong. In OBL's list of targets for his followers, Canada was #4 of 5. Our troops were in Afganistan from day one, and are still there.

I said you have "socialistic views" which is obviously true

Define Socialistic views. If you mean I think a meaningless invasion of Iraq. I reckon.
Its kinda funny how most of my American friends live in the South, and are staunch conservatives, but all are fed up with GWB, and think Iraq was/is a big waste of money, time, and obove all, life.

Is it only myself and my learned friends in the US that see's how futile and stupid the Iraq conflict is?

It has been going down hill from the fall of Bagdad<?sp>

TT/A1233, tell me what has gone RIGHT in this folly?
Gas prices?
The end of suicide attacks?
Happy Iraqi's?
GWB's popularity?

HAHAHA

Nope!

BT


I apoligise for attacking you, but post something constructive and debateable, not a bunch of BS!

 

[87We4ster]

STAGE 2


You hurt my feelings..................bwwwaaaaaaaahaha!
Yes I have and in most cases its a beautiful experience. Fundamentalists and Evangelists are a black eye to the christian faith...just my opinion...

Religion and government do not mix...Separation of church and state!

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by Foolis
Its kinda funny how most of my American friends live in the South, and are staunch conservatives, but all are fed up with GWB, and think Iraq was/is a big waste of money, time, and obove all, life.

Is it only myself and my learned friends in the US that see's how futile and stupid the Iraq conflict is?

It has been going down hill from the fall of Bagdad<?sp>

TT/A1233, tell me what has gone RIGHT in this folly?
Gas prices?
The end of suicide attacks?
Happy Iraqi's?
GWB's popularity?

HAHAHA

Nope!

BT


I apoligise for attacking you, but post something constructive and debateable, not a bunch of BS!

Here are a few positives:

Libya gave up it's 2 tons of Uranium it purchased from North Korea along with it's $100's of Million Dollar nuclear weapons program BECAUSE we invaded Iraq.

We found Saddam's list of Oil Credits in the UN oil for palaces scam, so we know that Kofi Annan's son among others... like two of Hanz Blix weapons inspectors were on the take from Saddam.

France and Germany's economies are in Shambles because they didn't support the invasion an US tourists are avoiding them like the plague.

I'm not sure how you can blame high oil prices on Iraq. The oil price is supply and demand (and the Iraq war didn't reduce supply). The demand is higher so the price is higher. Sure if the US was still in recession the price would be lower, but then unemployment wouldn't be only 5.7 percent.

The majority of Iraqi's are happier now than before Saddam. They will be happier to see us go, but that is the point.

There aren't Thousands protesting in the streets. If there were the media would be showing it every night and encouraging it. The bombers are mostly foreign fighters or fedayeen Saddam who were raised to be suicide bombers.

The Sarin Gas shell proved Saddam had WMD's. He may have not had stockpiles, but that one shell was a violation of the 17 UN resolutions that brought the war to Saddam. I'm confident there are others, based on the amount of Iraqi soldiers carrying gas masks as standard issue.

Bush didn't go to Iraq to increase his popularity. He went to Iraq to take the fight to the terrorists. To be on Offense rather than on defense. The strategy is a good one. If he doesn't get re-elected, he did what he and a lot of people felt was he right thing to do, given the intelligence at the time.

Getting rid of Saddam was the right thing to do. There can't be any debate about that, can there?

Every one of those suicide bombers in Iraq would gladly be a suicide bomber in the US if they had the means. Saddam was one of the people in the Middle East willing to give that bomber the means, either directly through family payoffs or indirectly by allowing answar al Islam to operate. We can check him off the list.

 

[STAGE 2]

Originally posted by 87We4ster

Separation of church and state!

...is nowhere in the constitution. Any other topics you wish to disply your ignorance on?

 

[87We4ster]

EVERSON V. BOARD OF EDUCATION (1947)

The Supreme Court unanimously affirmed the separation of church and state and used a Thomas Jefferson letter(founding father) for the court opinion.
Justice Black said, "That wall must be kept high and impregnable." Most of the Supreme Court's church-state decisions handed down since this case have been grounded in the Everson standard.

Do I detect a "thumper"?

 

[suprbuick7]

How come we don't hear from the GOP how well your "boy" did last night. Besides not being able to pronounce the name of the prison correctly It is pronouced phonetically "ABU GRABE". but GWB f#cked it up at least twice??????????????. He did little to lay out anything different, just the same BS plan that has gotten us this far down the toilet in IRAQ. I can see this mess in the future when this so called independent govt. tells us to beat it, and our govt. disagrees. This place will be the home of terrorists like we have never seen

 

[Red Regal T]

Originally posted by suprbuick7
Besides not being able to pronounce the name of the prison correctly It is pronouced phonetically "ABU GRABE". but GWB f#cked it up at least twice???

Another great point! With information like this, you'll be winning us over any time now. Just point out all that earth shattering information and we'll be voting for the WEASEL. Tell the truth........you're a college professor, right?

 

[suprbuick7]

Believe me I'm in no way trying to win you over. I can't believe the President can't pronounce that word that has been on everyones lips for over a month. TWICE on three minutes; that's all

 

[Foolis]

That was truly funny...frikin Moron

can you say "Nuke U Ler"

Sad


BT

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by Foolis
That was truly funny...frikin Moron

can you say "Nuke U Ler"

Sad


BT

Jimmy Carter was a Nuclear engineer and he said "Nuke U Ler".

We all know you Bush haters have an intellect far superior to ours so we bow to your tremendous knowledge, grasp of the english language and stunning insight on current events

Please keep up the attacks of how stupid Bush is and how the rest of the world thinks he's a moron. The Democrats in Texas tried that, too and he won 80 percent of the vote. Clinton's popularity went up when the attacks started. Bush's will do the same.


I've said it before, personal attacks on Bush are a recipe for John Kerry to be Crushed in November.

 

[Red Regal T]

MARK MY WORDS.........KERRY WILL BE CRUSHED IN NOVEMBER.