04 GTO on Fire!

[brittken]

I know the feeling.

Im sorry about our loss. I bought an 85 t type back in december and it burned up on me on the way back from Texas less than 24 hours after I bought it. Now I have a boat.
Check out the pics of my burned 85 here. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173194

 

[NJVetteGuy]

maybe i misread it but i believe he also said there have been ~10,000 other issues like this. i don't know if i believe that number, gm would have issued a recall if there were that many problems. but still it sounded like its not limited to just his car.

and becides the ls2 cars look better, run better, and cost about the same. whats not to like

He speculated about the issues on other cars, I looked at his thread on ls1gto.com and the general consensus is that his fire was caused by either his mods or jewish lightning. I checked the fuel line on my 04, no rub or any sign of it starting. Keep in mind, the Aussies were driving these cars for years in exactly the same configuration, with no problems of spontaneous combustion. The 04s are easier to tune, and the fastest new GTO is an 04(my friend Kenny's 9.7X 346ci turbo car) . The looks thing is a matter of personal preference. Back to stock with just a tune now, my 04 has pulled several stock 05-06 cars, much to the owners' dismay. Granted it's only by a few tenths, but the 04s are no slouch as some people make them out to be at times.

 

[ITSNOTAGN]

WOW, ill tell you what, NJvettguy, you are one ingnorant s.o.b. if i must say. Not only are you trying ever so hard to discredit me, but also your trying to stifle a very serious problem with a particular vehicle because your perfect little car doesnt have the problem?? seriously, i have seen it on quite a few of them, and a quick search on "fuel line rub" turned up many responses, many with pictures of it occuring, yet you wont recognise it? Im sure your a smart man, and im jealous that you get to work with kenny on his 04, but come on!
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29927&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76173&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76779&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76988&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76496&highlight=fuel+line+rub

And if you would please look at the last thread, it is by DMS (Dublin Motor Sports) who is possibly the closest link to the Holden manufacturing facility in North America, and a very very prominent dealer in San Fransisco. He personally states that he looked at a few and the 2005-2006 had no problems because of the revised line routing and covers, but every 2004 he looked at had problems, many with 1/16th inch cuts or more. So please tell me again that it was "jewish lightning" or that im a completly ignorant retarded P.O.S. that has never been under a hood. i know what im doing and practice saftey pretty religously.
Gary

 

[Tony87gn]

Yeah he is ignorant obviously this happens to other people so why try to bash him?

 

[turbofish38]

Go To The Source

Well, If 04 GTO fires are such a problem than why aren't those owners/victims filing complaints with the US government?? Just for the heck of it I went to the NHTSA site to see for my self and here is what I found: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/results.cfm
Yep thats right only one complaint out of the 10K or so GTO's sold.
Personally if I wanted to get the straight scoop on this the last place I would go is ls1.com or what ever. I wonder how many people who have had a fire can say they have never touched or modified thier car? Sorry for your loss. At least you're not crying there is some evil conspiracy by GM to cover up the problem caused by your tinkering. Sounds like you have enough common sense in that area.

Edit: It looks like my link didn't copy worth a damn. You can do it yourself. Go to the NHTSA site and start clinking on anything to do with cars. Enter in 04 GTO and fuel system complaints.

Edit2: Here is a copy and paste. Whose VIN is that?
Report Date : May 29, 2006 at 11:34 AM
SEARCH TYPE : VEHICLE
YEAR : 2004
Make : PONTIAC
Model : GTO
Type : ANY






Results : 1 | All records displayed
Make : PONTIAC Model : GTO Year : 2004
Manufacturer : GENERAL MOTORS CORP.
Crash : No Fire : Yes Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10156553 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: April 21, 2006
VIN : 6G2VX12G64L...
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINEELIVERY:HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS

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[ITSNOTAGN]

yeah that was my complaint that i filed shortly after. Im not one to file lawsuits and start sh-- with GM because there is a problem. something happened and it turns out that other people have the problem as well, but no fires that i am aware of. some were dangerously close to cutting through all the way though, i just thought i would try to save everybody else the trouble by making a very big deal about it, hoping everyone would check theirs. judging by the response i got with pictures and agreement, i think i accomplished what i was trying to do. i dont want GM to give me a new car, its not a big deal, thats why i have insurance, and i got a new vehicle the next week, all is well, i guess. kinda pissed that i lost my baby though.
on another note though, im not sure weather my mods would have affected it either way. it had headers, but i doubt they are more of an ignition source than a set of manifolds would be. also the nitrous i had installed didnt have anything to do with the fuel system, it was a 12" piece of high pressure 5/16" fuel line, WITH fittings crimped on the ends, screwed to the schrader valve. aside from that, it wasnt even on there at the time of the event and i simply replaced the valve core, and it didnt leak. the fire started at the BACK of the engine from the factory line anyways.

 

[NJVetteGuy]

WOW, ill tell you what, NJvettguy, you are one ingnorant s.o.b. if i must say. Not only are you trying ever so hard to discredit me, but also your trying to stifle a very serious problem with a particular vehicle because your perfect little car doesnt have the problem?? seriously, i have seen it on quite a few of them, and a quick search on "fuel line rub" turned up many responses, many with pictures of it occuring, yet you wont recognise it? Im sure your a smart man, and im jealous that you get to work with kenny on his 04, but come on!
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29927&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76173&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76779&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76988&highlight=fuel+line+rub
http://ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76496&highlight=fuel+line+rub

And if you would please look at the last thread, it is by DMS (Dublin Motor Sports) who is possibly the closest link to the Holden manufacturing facility in North America, and a very very prominent dealer in San Fransisco. He personally states that he looked at a few and the 2005-2006 had no problems because of the revised line routing and covers, but every 2004 he looked at had problems, many with 1/16th inch cuts or more. So please tell me again that it was "jewish lightning" or that im a completly ignorant retarded P.O.S. that has never been under a hood. i know what im doing and practice saftey pretty religously.
Gary

I'm ignorant, but you have ignored other possible causes for your fire? I have had my hands in more single digit LS1 cars than you'll touch in your lifetime, and checked 4 customers' GTOs in the lot after I got done putting the stock cam back in my GTO. None of the cars showed signs of your supposed death trap fuel issue. You picked through some threads over there that show some people whining about a supposed issue, but left out the ones where several prominent individuals(tuners and dealer techs) in the GTO community outright say it's a non issue. I guess it's easier to blame a car manufacturer than to think of other things that could have caused your fire, if it wasn't an insurance job. Here's some quotes from the gto forum:

Brake fluid ignites if your EGTs are high enough, maybe it was brake fluid from the clutch hydraulics that sprayed onto the headers and started the fire, especially since this happened when he lost his clutch pedal.

The only LS1/6/2 I've seen on fire was one due to a nitrous fire. You need to do a lot of rubbing on those fuel hoses to cause any damage. Some of you guys need to take a chill pill.

I don't want to waste my entire evening sorting through posts over this thread. If you have to swear to yourself it was the fuel line so you can sleep at night, then so be it. Have fun with the whiners and dyno racers over on ls1gto, maybe you should respond to all the people in your thread there that have stated basically the same thing I have.

 

[NJVetteGuy]

Yeah he is ignorant obviously this happens to other people so why try to bash him?

See above. Your inability to comprehend what I and others have stated on the subject that disproves his theory, proves your own ignorance.

 

[Pablo]

So is that fuel line steel braided internally?

If it is I too would have trouble believing that the plastic piece would rub through it.

On helicopters that I manufactured hoses and tubes for (and repaired hydraulic components) if a braided line was left dangling to where it touched something, the braided line would eat through whatever it was touching like it was made out of warm butter. Its really bad on helicopters since they vibrate so much. We used to put chafe guards on the hoses that went in areas with sensitive equipment, not for the hose, but for the surrounding parts.