Battery relocating to trunk kit

evil666

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Who sells a good battery relocating to trunk kit with all the hardware and instuctions on how to do it?

Thanks Marco.

86 Grand National t-top (60780km)
stock long block, stock suspension, 12 inch red stripe convertor (2800stall), te44, smc alk injection (95 % etanol), 25.5lbs boost, 94 octane, hooker cat back with dyno max ultra flow muffers, 42 ½ lbs 009 injectors, turbotweak alky chip, thdp, mease 24 row IC, Ron Custom max boost brake module, MT drag radials (275/50/15) 3835lbs race weight with driver. (Torque convertor locked only after car shifted in third), rjc power plate, rjc boost controller, zeitronix wideband, HR motor mounts, comp cam 980 valve springs.
BEST E/T
60FT=1.55
1/8= 7.34
1/4= 11.59
MPH=118
BEST 60FT=1.52
 
Moroso has one. Check Jegs or Summit.
Conrad
 
I have done a "few" in my day. Here are some tips that may help you. The batttery MUST be attached to the frame to be NHRA legal, though they will usually never check were the bolts go to on a 10.00 or slower car. The battery disconnect switch must be installed at the rear of the car and installed on the positive cable. There MUST be a firewall behind the rear seat AND under the package tray, or you must use a SEALED battery box that is vented to the outside. You must use 3/8" diameter bolts to hold the battery down. (no plumbers tape/metal strap allowed) Use quality battery cable or welding cable in the #2 or larger size. The disconnect switch MUST shut the car OFF if the switch is activated (they DO check this often). So, you'll need a switch with a field interrupt feature for the alternator. The positive cable should be sleeve wrapped and run through the frame rail up to the starter. There is a hole in the frame almost exactly were the starter terminal is, but it needs to be opened up a little bit after you remove a brake line clamp. Just bend the brake line up about 1/2" and you're there. I also slide a piece of heater hose over the cable at this point to help prevent rubbing through the insulation. Welding cable is very expensive but is VERY flexible. Regular battery cable works fine though. Tie wrap/clamp the cable securely.
I removed the spare tire and welded a plate to the bottom of the spare tire well and mounted an Optima battery in it. I also fabbed and installed a cover for the tire well and vented it to the outside so it is NHRA legal.
Use grommets everywhere you go through metal with the cable. PCV valve grommets are bigger and thicker than standard electrical grommets and they are available from any parts store.
You will have to splice a new power lead for the ECM, as the factory battery cable will not be used. (unless you buy a fake battery and keep the stock cable for that stealth look) Be sure to us 8ga. wire between the alternator and the battery terminal, as 10 ga. wire just won't cut it IF the alternator has to provide 120 amps.:eek:
Here is the battery box that I would suggest for you. Be sure to mount it with 3/8" bolts to the frame rail, or if you feel lucky, you can mount it under the package tray on the passenger side.
Mounting the battery in the trunk has the same effect as moving the engine back about 10", BUT it is NOT a 2 hour job. I spent the better part of a week building MY battery deal which, I know, is WAY over the top. It will take the better part of a week-end to do, even with a Moroso battery box. There just isn't a fast way to do it. If you are a serious racer, then it's worth the trouble, but if you are not, then buy a light weight battery and leave it alone. I HAD to move my battery, as I used the battery location for my Alky tank, otherwise I would have left it. I was short on time and didn't want to spend the required time to do it my way.
Here is a list of the parts you'll need to do te job:
Battery box Moroso Battery Box - JEGS
Disconnect switch Moroso 74101 Moroso Battery Disconnect Switch - JEGS
Cable JEG'S Remote Battery Cable Kit - JEGS
cable sleeving for safety Mr. Gasket Flex Wire Covering - JEGS
electrical tape (The stuff you already have in your VAST tool collection):biggrin:
assorted PCV grommets from Autozone, NAPA, PEPboys, ect.
8Ga wire for Alternator to starter lug JEG'S Hi-Output Alternator Wiring Kit - JEGS
You wil also need assorted harware to mount the box and mount the disconnect switch. I would suggest a remote switch up grade and some ingenuity to mount the switch. Moroso Push/Pull Battery Disconnect Kit - JEGS
OR, here is a light weight battery Braille Batteries - JEGS
I hope this helps.
 
Here's pics of my set-up.
 

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Ken,
Way to go! That is a great write-up and great photos.
Conrad
 
I would suggest going to a bigger gauge wire.
-Starter....1/0
-Alternator......#2

You can not jump from the starter to the alternator. When you shut the switch off, the alternator will keep the car running. You have to run a seperate wire from the alternator to the positive battery terminal. This is not NHRA legal but its the only way its going to work.

From the stater you run a positive post somewhere convenient for your accessories because this will be off the load side of the battery switch. I would also look into moving the fusible links from the starter to this post.

The NHRA should change this rule to switch the negative of the battery and everything will turn off.

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com
 
Thanks alot for all the help everyone, Marco.

86 Grand National t-top (60780km)
stock long block, stock suspension, 12 inch red stripe convertor (2800stall), te44, smc alk injection (95 % etanol), 25.5lbs boost, 94 octane, hooker cat back with dyno max ultra flow muffers, 42 ½ lbs 009 injectors, turbotweak alky chip, thdp, mease 24 row IC, Ron Custom max boost brake module, MT drag radials (275/50/15) 3835lbs race weight with driver. (Torque convertor locked only after car shifted in third), rjc power plate, rjc boost controller, zeitronix wideband, HR motor mounts, comp cam 980 valve springs.
BEST E/T
60FT=1.55
1/8= 7.34
1/4= 11.59
MPH=118
BEST 60FT=1.52
 
I would suggest going to a bigger gauge wire.
-Starter....1/0
-Alternator......#2

You can not jump from the starter to the alternator. When you shut the switch off, the alternator will keep the car running. You have to run a seperate wire from the alternator to the positive battery terminal. This is not NHRA legal but its the only way its going to work.

From the stater you run a positive post somewhere convenient for your accessories because this will be off the load side of the battery switch. I would also look into moving the fusible links from the starter to this post.

The NHRA should change this rule to switch the negative of the battery and everything will turn off.

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com

If you use the Moroso unit (710-74101 from Jegs ) the switch has field interrupt terminals AND the battery terminals. Just cut the small brown wire that plugs into the back of the alternator, and run one end all the way back to the switch and then back forward to the aternator. You only need 14ga. for this wiring. It is very simple and it WILL shut the engine off when the switch is tripped.
Just use the listed Moroso switch (double pole single throw) and wire the altenator field wire to it, and you're set.
Painless Wiring has a disconnect relay for those of you that have the old style disconnect switch and need to shut the car off legally. Painless Charging Shutdown Relays - JEGS
 
I usually use battery cable, but have used welding cable. Just curious, why not use welding cable?

Something to do with ac/dc from what I've read, but I have never seen anyone have problems with welding cable. I've used it on 4 different projects with no issues and most of my friends at the track do as well.

For the wiring from the alt. to the battery I do it like this.
Painless Performance: Part # Search
 
My kill switch is mounted under the bumper on a swing down & lock hinge. At the track highly visible but on the street its out of site completely. Makes an added kill switch at the grocery store.
 
One thing to add: THE FRAME IS NOT GROUND :). On our cars the body is ground, not the frame, so if you don't run a negative cable from the battery forward to the engine block, ground it to the sheet metal in the trunk not the frame. Or, if you insist on grounding to the frame, be sure to add another ground wire up front from the frame to the engine block. Actually, it would be good to add a bigger ground strap from engine to body, anyway, since the little ground straps really can't handle the starter current.
 
I just moved the battery to the trunk of my regal.

My original positive cable had a line going to the back of the alternator....which i didn't replace.

I didn't put in a shutoff switch.

Should I run a cable from the alternator all the way back to the battery?
 
I just moved the battery to the trunk of my regal.

My original positive cable had a line going to the back of the alternator....which i didn't replace.

I didn't put in a shutoff switch.

Should I run a cable from the alternator all the way back to the battery?

Is there a cable going from the alternator to the starter?

The alternator has to have a way to charge the battery...
 
Instead of going from trunk to alt another option is trunk to ECM A-11 & back to switch. Kills the crank sensor. Thats how mine will be by tomorrow as I was using the orange wire but that kills all memory settings in the chip & A-11 wont do that.
 
I have done a "few" in my day. Here are some tips that may help you. The batttery MUST be attached to the frame to be NHRA legal, though they will usually never check were the bolts go to on a 10.00 or slower car. The battery disconnect switch must be installed at the rear of the car and installed on the positive cable. There MUST be a firewall behind the rear seat AND under the package tray, or you must use a SEALED battery box that is vented to the outside. You must use 3/8" diameter bolts to hold the battery down. (no plumbers tape/metal strap allowed) Use quality battery cable or welding cable in the #2 or larger size. The disconnect switch MUST shut the car OFF if the switch is activated (they DO check this often). So, you'll need a switch with a field interrupt feature for the alternator. The positive cable should be sleeve wrapped and run through the frame rail up to the starter. There is a hole in the frame almost exactly were the starter terminal is, but it needs to be opened up a little bit after you remove a brake line clamp. Just bend the brake line up about 1/2" and you're there. I also slide a piece of heater hose over the cable at this point to help prevent rubbing through the insulation. Welding cable is very expensive but is VERY flexible. Regular battery cable works fine though. Tie wrap/clamp the cable securely.
I removed the spare tire and welded a plate to the bottom of the spare tire well and mounted an Optima battery in it. I also fabbed and installed a cover for the tire well and vented it to the outside so it is NHRA legal.
Use grommets everywhere you go through metal with the cable. PCV valve grommets are bigger and thicker than standard electrical grommets and they are available from any parts store.
You will have to splice a new power lead for the ECM, as the factory battery cable will not be used. (unless you buy a fake battery and keep the stock cable for that stealth look) Be sure to us 8ga. wire between the alternator and the battery terminal, as 10 ga. wire just won't cut it IF the alternator has to provide 120 amps.:eek:
Here is the battery box that I would suggest for you. Be sure to mount it with 3/8" bolts to the frame rail, or if you feel lucky, you can mount it under the package tray on the passenger side.
Mounting the battery in the trunk has the same effect as moving the engine back about 10", BUT it is NOT a 2 hour job. I spent the better part of a week building MY battery deal which, I know, is WAY over the top. It will take the better part of a week-end to do, even with a Moroso battery box. There just isn't a fast way to do it. If you are a serious racer, then it's worth the trouble, but if you are not, then buy a light weight battery and leave it alone. I HAD to move my battery, as I used the battery location for my Alky tank, otherwise I would have left it. I was short on time and didn't want to spend the required time to do it my way.
Here is a list of the parts you'll need to do te job:
Battery box Moroso Battery Box - JEGS
Disconnect switch Moroso 74101 Moroso Battery Disconnect Switch - JEGS
Cable JEG'S Remote Battery Cable Kit - JEGS
cable sleeving for safety Mr. Gasket Flex Wire Covering - JEGS
electrical tape (The stuff you already have in your VAST tool collection):biggrin:
assorted PCV grommets from Autozone, NAPA, PEPboys, ect.
8Ga wire for Alternator to starter lug JEG'S Hi-Output Alternator Wiring Kit - JEGS
You wil also need assorted harware to mount the box and mount the disconnect switch. I would suggest a remote switch up grade and some ingenuity to mount the switch. Moroso Push/Pull Battery Disconnect Kit - JEGS
OR, here is a light weight battery Braille Batteries - JEGS
I hope this helps.

Good write up Ken:smile:


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The batttery MUST be attached to the frame to be NHRA legal,

I removed the spare tire and welded a plate to the bottom of the spare tire well and mounted an Optima battery in it.


Ken, how have you got your battery hold down bolted to the frame, sitting in your spare tire well ?:confused:

George
 
I would suggest going to a bigger gauge wire.
-Starter....1/0
-Alternator......#2

You can not jump from the starter to the alternator. When you shut the switch off, the alternator will keep the car running. You have to run a seperate wire from the alternator to the positive battery terminal. This is not NHRA legal but its the only way its going to work.

From the stater you run a positive post somewhere convenient for your accessories because this will be off the load side of the battery switch. I would also look into moving the fusible links from the starter to this post.

The NHRA should change this rule to switch the negative of the battery and everything will turn off.

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com

I have a buick 340 v8 in there and I removed the computer system. So if I ran a cable from the alternator to the starter, would the car be able to turn off?

Sorry I'm a bit confused by all of this. I don't think my 67 (400 BBB) has a cable running from the alternator to the battery...
 
Ok, I still don't have this right. I have a brand new 1000/800 CCA battery and I am using this summit kit:

Summit SUM-G1200A - Summit® Battery Relocation Kits

The installation went pretty well except for the car not being able to start haha.

Please note the motor in my car is a 340 SBB....V8, 10.25:1 CR. So it takes some juice to spin it over, especially at the end of a 15 ft. cable.

I have the negative cable grounded to the frame, and the positive cable ran up to the starter. This method wasn't working.

Last night I installed a wire (about 8 or 10 gauge (the original one that ran from the alternator to the positive terminal)) from the alternator to the starter. I let it run for about 20 minutes to try and charge the battery, but when I tried to start it again, it wouldn't even turn over.

Now it seems to me that I have a few options for my next move. Should I...

1. Run a cable from the alternator all the way back to the battery and ditch the alternator to starter jumper?

2. Move the ground from the frame to the body?

or

3. Add in a ground strap, from engine to frame.

The instructions, along with a few other how-to's i've read didn't mention anything about this problem/the battery not being able to charge.

Thanks in Advance.
 
How I did mine was to use a -1 welding cable from a post on the fender to the battery. From the post I went down the starter with a -4 welding cable. From the alternator to the batter pos with -4. When I throw the shut off switch the car shuts down instantly. You may be losing too much current with the smaller cables.
 
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