Real Octane #'s E85

87chrisss

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Ive been doing alot of research on the real octane rating of e85, its very hard to pinpoint seems alot of us have been mislead or misinformed ive been told its upward of around 115 octane. Some guys claim 103 octane, Wikipedia states 115 octane, seems like some batches of fuel differ and or we are testing it incorrectly. As i recently learned the problem is octane rating in alcohol cannot be measured so we are left "guessing".. The Best guesstimate of leading race fuel suppliers claim E85 is in the range of 100 octane-105 octane. Here's a good explanation of octane and e85 information i have come across, this information is from Sunoco Race Fuels this is copied from there site i do not own this..

Alcohols like methyl alcohol (methanol) and ethyl alcohol (ethanol) are often used in race fuels. Sometimes they are a small part of the fuel and sometimes they are a primary component of the fuel. Methanol is commonly used “straight” – that’s why it’s called racing alcohol by many. Ethanol can also be used straight, and some racers do, but it’s more common to hear about E85, a blend of about 85% ethanol.
Much has been said about the octane rating of alcohols. However, technically speaking, the octane ratings of alcohols can not be measured.
All octane test engines, as defined in the octane rating procedures set forth by the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM), are carbureted. Air/fuel ratio adjustments on octane engine carburetors are limited and can not accommodate the extremely different air/fuel ratio requirements of pure alcohols.
Blends of alcohols can be tested to determine what is called a “Blending Octane Value” or BOV. Basically, the octane rating of an alcohol/gasoline blend is compared to the octane rating of the gasoline without alcohol and some math is done to calculate what the effect of the alcohol was on the octane of the gasoline. Thus, a BOV is determined. However, a BOV is not the same thing as a normal octane rating.
Octane numbers at the pump are determined by taking the average of two ASTM-specified octane tests – the Research Octane Number test (RON, or simply “R”) and the Motor Octane Number test (MON, or simply “M”). The average is expressed as (R+M)/2 and is sometimes referred to as the Antiknock Index or AKI. In the United States, pump gas is sold based on AKI and it is this value that we typically use to represent a fuel’s octane rating. The square yellow octane stickers you see on gasoline dispensers indicate the (R+M)/2 octane rating.
BOVs for methanol and ethanol typically overstate octane. This is because the law of diminishing returns applies. While a little alcohol can bump octane by a few numbers, twice as much alcohol does not result in twice as much octane increase. So while it may look like an alcohol has a high octane number when a small amount is used (as in determining a BOV), its real octane value is not as high. Problem is, the real number can’t be determined... so we’re left to guessing.
Ethanol is a good example. Its BOV is generally stated as 112 octane or so. Again, this implies that if you mix a little ethanol into gasoline, some math tells us the octane will increase as if the ethanol were 112 octane. In fact it’s not... it just seems that way when a small amount is added.
Best estimates of the actual octane rating of pure ethanol place it at about 100 octane. This is probably a conservative value but it is one we are comfortable with. If you see octane claims for ethanol in the 112 range, be suspicious that the octane number might be incorrectly based on BOV.
 
thats a special blend of E85, its not pump gas E85, around here we can get e85 from UGAS not Sunoco E85R it states its a special race blend but it kind of contridicts what they say on there octane explanation, i guess they can can provide in more datail since its more precisely mixed
 
It was just for reference to match what you had read. It definatedly would be better to run since it's a true formula, not some half assed blend that's changes every tankfull, especially for racers...
 
I can run 28 lbs of boost and 26 degrees of timing with E85 and I doubt that is the limit. I can't do that with 100 unleaded. I think it's an apples to oranges comparison. Ethanol's ability to resist knock is very high because its burn rate is very slow. It also contains 37 percent oxygen. That's all that matters.
 
I can run 28 lbs of boost and 26 degrees of timing with E85 and I doubt that is the limit. I can't do that with 100 unleaded. I think it's an apples to oranges comparison. Ethanol's ability to resist knock is very high because its burn rate is very slow. It also contains 37 percent oxygen. That's all that matters.

Very true! I bet your car is a handful!
 
I bet your car is a handful!

Only while driving casually because of my bias ply,flat spotting,crack chasing Mickey Thompson tires. They sure look good though. Under full throttle in a straight line it's on a rail but still very exhilarating.
 
It sure is fun. Only have to look at one thing at WOT, the knock gauge.
 
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