87 Gn Engine Transplant Into 84 T-type

JOHN SLATER

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My 87 GN was totaled recently and I picked up an 84 T-Type. Just checking if anyone else has done this. I was planning to unplug the engine harness at the ecm and swap everything--But what about A/C compatability, fuel rail connections etc. If anyone could give me a heads up on what to expect I'd really appreciate it
 
No...Where it stands now is the insurance co. sent out an appraiser, he took a lot of pictures and looked at my reciepts. A couple of days later the ins. co. called and said mt cas was valued at 12,500...cool. But the insures has only 10,000 total coverage and a total of 4 cars were wrecked, so I should get a check for about 2,500. So no deal
 
Thats horrible!

I think you can still claim it under your own insurance, for underinsured/uninsured motorist.

I had to do this for a an accident other driver had no insurance.

Sorry for being of topic but I would miss the 87 going to an 84
 
I wish it was that easy---I recently dropped all coverage other than liability. They have already said my GN is a total. I picked up this 84 for 1,500. Body and interior is very nice. I just figured this whole ordeal is going to take a long time. I might as well cut my losses and make the switch
 
sounds like a good plan, I always wanted to do a transplant but never had the time.

Good luck, I searched the hybrid board on turbobuicks.com, some good stuff in there.

thanks
myles
 
Is the drivetrain totaled or just the body? Are you just transplanting drivetrain? Or converting 84 engine to 86/87? My brother has an 84 with his 86 drivetrain transplanted so if you have any questions he could probably answer them.
 
I did this transplant several years ago. However, it's pretty fuzzy to me now, but I can try to help with questions you have.

I'll tell you something I did... just as a reference.. I took a video camera and digital still camera and made TONS of pictures in and around the engine compartment. Because I had a feeling that I would need to go back and check for reference how it went from the old car to the new car.

You asked a question about the A/C. Was the A/C in your 87 working when you had the accident?? Do you think it bled the R12/R134a off?? With my 87 I completely removed the A/C system as ONE piece. Yes, you read that right.. evaporator, condensor, compressor, etc.. as ONE piece. Likewise dropped it in the other car as ONE piece. May seem like a lot of hassle, but I didn't have an evacuation device to capture the R12.

Sorry to hear about your insurance situation. They just suck!

Good luck!
 
Thanks Myles...I'll check the hybrid section-------------------------------Royal-T-Ltd--basically I'm swapping my engine--The trans case is cracked and my diff housing/axle is bent--I'll go through the 84 trans and use my converter--I,m just going to go for it, maybe if I get stuck your bro or gn85 can help..I'll post again when I get started----thanks
 
Been there done that- you can use the 84/85 block just by drilling out a turbo oil return line into the valley of the engine. just strip everything down,intake manifold,accesories,pulleys,exhaust manifolds, wiring harness and then transplant everything over,which will leace you with a spare block to build up if you ever need to replace the engine. good luck-mine took about three months cause i had to convert the hydroboost brakes over to vacuum type.
 
IMO, it is much more simple to just swap the whole engine. If you did not already have a complete running '87 engine, then yah strip the hotair block and convert it. That becomes much more time consuming. Gaskets, Cleaning, torquing, etc. etc. Pulling and dropping an engine is nothing.
Keep the wiring harness on it. Unplug from the ECM. Can be done fairly easy if you loosen the wheel well on the passenger side down by where the harness goes through the fire wall. Pull out the whole grommet and plugs to the ECM (remember to disconnect first). Nothing has to be changed/disconnected as far as harnesses under the dash or interior, etc. Just disconnect from the drivers side firewall, and from the ECM (through the Pass. firewall).
Heater core in heater box is different. Difference is only the way the pipes from it are bent. It is possible to use the hotair one and just route/bend the hoses slightly different. Not hard to do it right and swap. Open the top half of the heater box and swap everything in ther from yours, then just seal it back up with some good silicone sealant/adhesive. AC : of course just transfer your stuff over, not a big deal. Especially since the compressor is already on the engine (IF you just swap engines).
Last item you will deal with that will keep you from driving is swapping the Hydroboost for your powermaster (or vac brakes). Again, pretty straight forward there. Not sure if youve taken the PM out before, but its not that bad. Ive heard of some saying hooking the pedal back on is the trickiest part. Of course bleed the brakes.
As Royal-T-Ltd mentioned, our brother's car is a '84 Ttype with '86 drivetrain. Somewhat similar circumstances. '86 body was just too far gone. We did the swap in no time and did it right. Some people have cut the harness going to the ECM and spliced. Forget that, do it right and get behind that wheel well. If the swap is done right, you cant even tell that it wasnt the engine that came in there.
Oh yeah. Make sure you get your fan relays from off the driver's fender, youll need those :rolleyes: . On passenger fender youve got fuel pump and AC compressor, I think. These may be the same. May want to verify at gnttype.org or if someone who knows for sure could chime in. I just dont remember off hand right now. Moving on, although I dont know if it makes a difference, you may want to swap the ESC sensor. '87 has a different part # for this. Its even different from the '86, dont know whats up with that. Dont know if both of these cars have same type of dash display so make sure if the '84 has Digital then keep the pressure switch for the idiot boost lights. If Analog, then the MAP sensor. Other than that, of course the rad and lines, already mentioned AC stuff, rad hold down, fan, yada yada yada.
Good luck, its not that bad......really :)
 
I agree with 6sense except for the conversion from hydroboost to powermaster. The hydroboost is way more reliable and way cheaper if it ever goes out. All it takes is running a couple hoses and it works fine with the 87 setup. You'll need a bigger radiator and your electric fan. The 84 heater core inlet/outlet points to the drivers side, it will work but it would be better to use the later one. Does yours have the lear siegler interior? Anyway, it's an extremely easy swap, very straight forward.
 
49-blues I'll probally be talking with you when I get stuck, and good point...I hate that hydro-boost set-up-----GN Fury thanks for the encouragement--I'll post again when I get started
 
6 Sense...sorry about my out of order posts, I started my last post about 3hrs ago and just submitted it..I,m at work and sometimes I get buried...Anyway thanks for the info. I was planning to do just that..pull all the wires through and remove the harness and engine together. I hadn't thought of the heater core issue. Also my GN has a digital dash--the t-type has analog but with boost gauge and tach, so I haven't decided if I'll swap or not. But being the eternal optimist I plan on this being a weekend deal...ha ha ha I guess we'll see---I'll be in touch--If you can think of any other roadblocks please let me know---I really appreciate the help--thanks
 
Originally posted by cool 84
I agree with 6sense except for the conversion from hydroboost to powermaster. The hydroboost is way more reliable and way cheaper if it ever goes out. All it takes is running a couple hoses and it works fine with the 87 setup..........
At least from my experience having the hydroboost setup and being around those with the powermaster setup, I do agree cool 84. I have always been quite satisfied with the reliability and the performance of my hydroboost. No problems whatsoever. Meanwhile everyone with a powermaster around me is constantly replacing it. Royal-T-Ltd is at home right now installing a new PM unit :mad: , at least this one has a lifetime warranty :rolleyes: ). Soooo.......if it can be adapted I think it wouldnt be a bad idea to use it. I didnt even think about it, some people are picky and just want the PM under the hood (for nostalgia maybe?). This came up in a conversation a few days ago when we were talking about the PM.........all you need are the right length hoses to use the hydroboost. Dont they still use the hydroboost setup on 4x4s?
Or.......you could just go with vac brakes :D
 
Good point, if its only a matter of swapping hoses I guess its worth a try--I've had such rotten luck with my GN set up it cant be any worse
 
I did forget about the one time mine did fail lol. An inside seal went, no brake failure but my carpet got all oily and crumbled apart. Finally saw the powersteering fluid running down the inside of the firewall after about 2 months of scratching my head. That was fun to clean when I replaced the carpet. In it's defense it went at 230,000 miles.

The HB is still used on some cars and a lot of diesel trucks.
 
Bumping an old thread because I recently found a clean 84 t-type for sale.

Is it worth the time to put an 86-87 engine in an 84? Is the rest of the car as well built? Suspension, transmission, rear end, etc...
I am in the market for a cold air car and this brown t-type has me wondering. Goal is to have a mid 11 sec RELIABLE daily driver.
 
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