The great thing about IC'd conversions . .

[Jerryl]

Recently, it has been well documented that Turbo6x2, Boost 231 and John Bruce ran way faster than you can without a cage, in the HA configuration, with some upgrades.
Yes, I know Lee Thompson and Drew Carlton, etc have done this LOOOONG ago., with a HA as well.

As far as I know, the times were set with a 231, stock ported intake, cam, turbo, ported heads, DP, headers, alky and some other minor modifications.

One of the GREATEST thing about IC conversions . . . .
It appears that quite a few people are converting these HA cars to IC'd . . . more power to them, since that results in "more and cheaper OEM parts available for those that only want to run mid 11’s and slower. " It is easier with an IC’d car? Absolutely, “if” you start with an IC’d car.

If I see one more thread about “How do I convert?”, “How much will it cost to convert?”, “What parts do I need to convert?”, “What turbo do I need when I convert?” in the HA section, I would POLITELY REQUEST THE MOD OF THIS SECTION TO TAKE IT TO THE GENERAL SECTION!!

Take note;
You have the right to do whatever the **** you want with YOUR car, so don't start any BS . . . . but if you want to convert to IC’d, DO A DAMN SEARCH FIRST, than go ask conversion questions in the General section!

If I see one more DAMN thread about conversion questions in the HA section I am going to post a link to this DAMN thread on EACH AND EVERY SNGINLE ONE OF THEM!. This is a promise!

I feel better now . . .
Now, go vote! :tongue:

 

[Waco84GN]

Ok?

That sounds like a good way to chase off some good intellect.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Prolly will not be posting anymore for fear of offending the "hotair god".

As far as I'm concerned my car is still a hotair at heart.

I always try to help with what I can as far as tech questions in here, but you can forget that now.

I have had to deal with the same limitations as you (HA) guys have had to deal with. They only ask the questions in here because the IC'd guys wouldn't have a clue of the parts necessary to complete an intercooler swap.

Instead of bashing people why don't you take a second and encourage their ambition to work on their car.

Sure hope you feel better.

I wish there was a way I could erase all of my posts from your precious hotair section so you could sit in here with the crickets by yourself and twiddle your thumbs.

Oh well have fun,

Jerry jr.

 

[boostmaster]

You took the words right out of my mouth!!!!

Thanks for saying what I've been thinking all along. Why do people think they will instantly save money and run faster by switching over to an intercooled set up?!!!!The costs and the time involved of doing the conversion alone by far surpasses what it would take to make a Hot Air reliably run 11's. You would better off value wise by buying an 86-87 Turbo Buick than purchasing a 84-85 and then spending all the dough to convert leaving yet another rare car forever altered. I've owned both and my Hot Air car is much funner for me knowing I accomplished what many would and have given up on.

Just my .02
Pete

 

[boostmaster]

Not the same

That sounds like a good way to chase off some good intellect.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Prolly will not be posting anymore for fear of offending the "hotair god".

As far as I'm concerned my car is still a hotair at heart.

I always try to help with what I can as far as tech questions in here, but you can forget that now.

I have had to deal with the same limitations as you (HA) guys have had to deal with. They only ask the questions in here because the IC'd guys wouldn't have a clue of the parts necessary to complete an intercooler swap.

Instead of bashing people why don't you take a second and encourage their ambition to work on their car.

Sure hope you feel better.

I wish there was a way I could erase all of my posts from your precious hotair section so you could sit in here with the crickets by yourself and twiddle your thumbs.

Oh well have fun,

Jerry jr.

Jerry, you are taking it the wrong way and as they say sometimes a hit dog will holler.
Fisrt off there is a difference between adding an intercooler to your set up and converting to the intercooled set up.

As in your case you did not change the Hot Air configuration of your vehicle you simply added an intercooler and in my opinion an aftermarket intake. the difference is someone trying to make a Hot Air an 86-87 car.

If you wanted an intercooled set up you should have bought one. So the fact is if you bought an 84-85 car and instanly convert or come in here asking questions on how to convert, how are offering anything useful to the r&d of Hot Air cars? Answer: your not!!!!

This forum is for people that need assistance and knowledge concerning Hot Air cars if the only thing you have to add is asking questions on how to convert to the 86-87 set up how is that helping Hot Air guys? It's not, but what it does leave is the impression on newbies that come in here is that it's the easiest way to go and that our cars carry little value. And if the trend continues they never will carry any value.

So if you submit a post saying "how can I make my car faster?", then follow it up with "oh how can I convert it to intercooled set up?" You just told me and every other Hot Air owner in here that our cars are not worth s*#t!!! But If you asked how do I add an intercooler that in my opinion is something totally different. You can always rip the intercooler off and go back to Hot Air but once you completely convert returning to Hot Air is probably more of a hassle than converting in the first place,.....thus once they go they never come back.

 

[Boostnitup]

Too each... their own.

It is a hobby... not a religion. <--- I deserve the Quote credit.

I do it for the "hobby."

A HUGE front mount intercooler resides where a/c equipment used to be, and now a slow 15 second car runs 13's leaving the line at "idle" with no boost, and traps 108 to 110 mph off the bottle in 105 degree temp track days in Colorado's thin air.

We know an intercooler just gets in the way, that it adds weight, and it makes hot BBW girls with large Bazonka's want all of your "hot-Air" friends but it is a risk I am willing to take. :biggrin:







Converted long before anyone could tell me how to do it.

 

[esinger]

It is a hobby... not a religion. <--- I deserve the Quote credit.

Blasphemy!!!!

I do feel the pain too Jerryl:frown:

 

[Waco84GN]

Also not to down grade his accomplishments...

But Lee Thompsons car was a stage block I believe. He did it for the added strength from the block.

He ran two stages of alky I believe and a pretty modified intake.

I tried to keep all of my mods to stock parts besides the intercooler which was on the car when I bought the car.

Have fun,

Jerry jr.

 

[boostmaster]

Lt

But Lee Thompsons car was a stage block I believe. He did it for the added strength from the block.

He ran two stages of alky I believe and a pretty modified intake.

I tried to keep all of my mods to stock parts besides the intercooler which was on the car when I bought the car.

Have fun,

Jerry jr.

Stage block, basic ported intake and alky but still 100% hot air with his own headers and downpipe. Ran a stage block for reliabilty, 10.60's I believe, but was deep in the 11's on a production block.

 

[tb3]

i understand where your coming from jerryl, but almost everyone of those guys could care less about the originality or the rarity of the car like we do. they don't frequent this section like us, and when they do, as you mentioned, most the time they don't put in their homework.

just make the conversion list a sticky and ignore the "what do i need to convert" post.

hell, lets go one step further and really save them some time and aggrivation and put a small block chevy conversion thread up there too

your pretty wound up today jerryl
Isaiah 41:10
Proverbs 3:5
hang in there my brother. i've got a feeling that with the recipe your cooking up with your car, you'll be another proof that ha cars can be very fast

 

[mtm864]

I sorta got the drift this thread is aimed at me because i keep posting up questions about converting over to ic and such. Im sorry for all the agravation but i thought that this forum was to help and inform but i see now that it isnt so im sorry for getting in you guys way and such thanks for all the replies ppl actually did post in aiding and helping me get a better understanding on the whole swap. I didnt buy the car my Dad gave it to me as it was a project when he bought it and so far i have a completely built bottom end and i was looking for help to get me into the low 7s 8th mile and was just looking for the correct combo. Like i said before sorry time to go thru trial and error i guess

 

[Jerryl]

......... Prolly will not be posting anymore for fear of offending the "hotair god". .......... I wish there was a way I could erase all of my posts from your precious hotair section so you could sit in here with the crickets by yourself and twiddle your thumbs. . . . .

Jerry,
I have always complimented you on your car and you have done an incredible job with it!
I may not fully agree with your appraoch or opinion, but that in no way justifies a personal attack as you just did with your remarks.
Besides, you missed the whole point.

Jerry, you are taking it the wrong way and as they say sometimes a hit dog will holler.
Fisrt off there is a difference between adding an intercooler to your set up and converting to the intercooled set up.

So the fact is if you bought an 84-85 car and instanly convert or come in here asking questions on how to convert, how are offering anything useful to the r&d of Hot Air cars? Answer: your not!!!!

This forum is for people that need assistance and knowledge concerning Hot Air cars if the only thing you have to add is asking questions on how to convert to the 86-87 set up how is that helping Hot Air guys? It's not, but what it does leave is the impression on newbies that come in here is that it's the easiest way to go and that our cars carry little value. And if the trend continues they never will carry any value.

Could not have said it better.

i understand where your coming from jerryl, but almost everyone of those guys could care less about the originality or the rarity of the car like we do. they don't frequent this section like us, and when they do, as you mentioned, most the time they don't put in their homework.

your pretty wound up today jerryl
Isaiah 41:10
Proverbs 3:5
hang in there my brother. i've got a feeling that with the recipe your cooking up with your car, you'll be another proof that ha cars can be very fast

Thanks brother! Haha!
In this case, I actually like this one better . . Ephesians 4:25-27 :wink: :tongue:
I WILL get out of the 15-16's someday!

Blasphemy!!!!

I do feel the pain too Jerryl:frown:

Eric,
My whole problem is three fold:
1 - Too stubborn to change and give up.
2 - Care WAAAAAAY to much helping people get to their goals, in HA form. Trust me, if someone had a 10 sec goal, I'd be the first one to tell them to sell and buy an IC’d car, period!!
3 - The harder I work, the harder it is to surrender.

 

[Boost231]

Stage block, basic ported intake and alky but still 100% hot air with his own headers and downpipe. Ran a stage block for reliabilty, 10.60's I believe, but was deep in the 11's on a production block.

lee ran 11.20's with a 3.8 and 10.8* with a 4.1 but who's keep track

he has still taken a hotair further then most people ever will

 

[boostmaster]

In simple terms

I sorta got the drift this thread is aimed at me because i keep posting up questions about converting over to ic and such. Im sorry for all the agravation but i thought that this forum was to help and inform but i see now that it isnt so im sorry for getting in you guys way and such thanks for all the replies ppl actually did post in aiding and helping me get a better understanding on the whole swap. I didnt buy the car my Dad gave it to me as it was a project when he bought it and so far i have a completely built bottom end and i was looking for help to get me into the low 7s 8th mile and was just looking for the correct combo. Like i said before sorry time to go thru trial and error i guess[/QUOTE

You may not be the direct target of this thread as I am sure you are one of many that have come and gone in the same manner. You pop in and ask "how can I make my car faster" and then immediately the next thread you post is "how can I convert my car to intercooled?" Hey buddy maybe you can't read but this is the "Hot Air" forum. If you want advice on how to make your car faster in hot air form then we're all for helping you to acheive those goals. Even if you would have said I want advice on reaching the 7's in my Hot Air we still got ya. People have been there. But to pop in and ask for help then turn around in ask for help and advice converting over that's just kinda a slap in the face isn't it? You should be asking the question in the forum that you really want to associate yourself with, because I tell you one thing for sure once you convert to intecooled you sure won't be popping in here for advice anymore, now will you? Of coarse not because as far as your concerned we would be of no more use to you.

The point you don't understand is people like you that add nothing else to this forum but you take alot from it. What contribution are you giving to the next guy when all you want is information on converting over never even doing one bit of r&d in hot air form? Absolutley none!!!!!

 

[Boost231]

I sorta got the drift this thread is aimed at me because i keep posting up questions about converting over to ic and such. Im sorry for all the agravation but i thought that this forum was to help and inform but i see now that it isnt so im sorry for getting in you guys way and such thanks for all the replies ppl actually did post in aiding and helping me get a better understanding on the whole swap. I didnt buy the car my Dad gave it to me as it was a project when he bought it and so far i have a completely built bottom end and i was looking for help to get me into the low 7s 8th mile and was just looking for the correct combo. Like i said before sorry time to go thru trial and error i guess

don't take this thread as being aimed towards you. you just happen to be the one who posted "Another" thread regarding converting over. There have been so many people over the years asking the same question. it just makes a few of us sad to see these nice hotair cars "rare" getting switched over when you could have bought a 86/87 from the get go.

There are many reasons to convert over, i agree. however to say a hotair cant be fast is far from the truth. Its up to you on what you do. One way or another i dont care what you do with it and i sure as hell won't lose any sleep.

 

[cwmccray]

I think we all should cool down. I can agree with all points, however each one of us own's a HA and no matter how it turns out it is NO LONGER STOCK:frown:. Whether you are using alky, NOS, CO2, intercooler and/or all of the above, you will still be driving a buick. Lee Thompson, Jamie, John Bruce, and many others have gotten the HA anywhere from low 11's to 10.60's. My car will be intercooled, NOS, alky and anything else I can throw at it.

Jerry's car is amazing.... Jaimie's car is amazing. Brent's car is also amazing. Most do not realize that Jerry's car can be changed from intercooled to HA with a piping in a couple of minutes. It can also still run alky. As the HA group gets smaller this bickering gets worst. Ironically, the intercooled crowd is in tears laughing at us...

Whether you convert with alky, NOS, intercooler, you are STILL driving a BUICK..... less that 1% on this board is driving a STOCK HA....

As far a post, they still belonging in the HA forum. If you remove the intercooled conversions like Jerry's... you might as well move alky... NOS....heck anything that is NOT STOCK.... Last time I checked, alky is not STOCK, NOS.... but intercooling was a option and even BUICK took this option

I am not trying to start anything... but we all bought HA's for a reason.... price... actually liking to be different... or just liking the cars...

 

[imjoesnuffy]

One of my favorite questions, "You need a straw?"

If people are looking for information on hot air cars, where else are they gonna go?

Easiest fix, dont respond to conversion questions

 

[Waco84GN]

People that post about converting

This is Jerry Berger Senior: If you take away all the post about modifications and hot air conversion; this section of the board could be put in retirement. There would not be a whole lot of post made. The point about Lee and the others that have ran really fast times is good; but how many average guys can afford are understand whats needed to run those times. Not many. They are a handful, and they are way above what the average guy can even dream of doing.I quess if you dont want your car to go faster just leave it bone stock; but whats the point? Thats all Iam done. Jerry Berger Sr.

 

[phvrod]

project hot air

I bought my hot air because it was all they sold in 1985 Its still hot aiR and Brent has given me much great advice...so is it considered bad that I want to add an electric fan conversion..OR THE 87 ECM CONVERSION???.I came to the hot air section because thats what I have..If i add alky ( most likely) where else would I go for aDVICE on adding alky to a hot air car?......i DO SEE A POINT about asking how do i make my hot air fast or how to convert to ic but I DIDNT KNOW at the time it would offend anyone..Brent clearly told me if I wanted an 87 go buy one..I got his point and I already have one anyway...GNX 148.

I feel that no one should jump on someones case if they really dont know .they are just trying to upgrade their car..it has been a pain in the ass for me to get hor air turbo headers and ta33 is not much of a selection.


I went ahead and am having the TA33 made but i will not settle for just that...I may modify the TB location and modify an 87 plenum...custom make headers and possibly intercool the car but not to only go faster but to be able to get a variety of parts not availiable to hot air type cars....If there were 20 diffrent turbos,headers or just a few nice bolt on kits there wouldnt be so much questions on conversions..it would be more questions on how to keep their drive shaft from twisting into two pieces with all their new found horsepower...

 

[6 to go]

I thought it was all about making these cars go faster the easiest cheapest way possible. That is what i did. My cars now have IC's, and the whole deal,
less the pipes, cost less than an alky kit! I didn't know there were rules
for rese cars, sorry if I stepped on anybody's toes, but i am proud of my cars,
I take them to the Buick GS Nat'ls. and have for a long time. I can count on my fingers the hot air cars, and no offense meant, that are there. Some of the fast cars mentioned are clapped out race cars. My cars have AC, cruise, and heater, as well as alll the insulation and a spare tire, too, for the road.
Oh, by the way, I guess I can still add alky or does that violate the rules,
too.

 

[WarWagon]

You guys can always backpedel to the orginal turbo design the '78-'83 Carb/turbo. No rules for those, still hot air.
You guys have fun and take care out there.