TSO rules for 2011

The NMCA is definitely not V6 friendly. A few years back they made a concession to let me run in Nostalgia Pro Street when it was first getting started. They strapped me with so much weight there was no way I'd be competitive. Told me to come to a few events and they'd see about taking some weight off me - I said thanks but no thanks.

Several other organizations and/or classes won't even allow a V6 at all.
 
Cal, since the rules are not done, I would like to see a rule added.

Specifically "All cars MUST possess applicable safety equipement for speeds obtained".



I know there are at least three 25.5 chassis cars in the works since the majority of the cars going significantly faster than 8.50's are spending the money to be safe I think it is only fair if the guy in the other lane trying to win that is running faster than 8.5's has the appropriate safety equipment and it is enforced. If a competitor runs faster than 8.5's without a 25.5 certified cage he is automatically DQ'ed. If he/she run faster than 8.50 in qualifying the qualifying speed will be set to 8.50.


What do you think??
 
Cal, since the rules are not done, I would like to see a rule added.

Specifically "All cars MUST possess applicable safety equipement for speeds obtained".



I know there are at least three 25.5 chassis cars in the works since the majority of the cars going significantly faster than 8.50's are spending the money to be safe I think it is only fair if the guy in the other lane trying to win that is running faster than 8.5's has the appropriate safety equipment and it is enforced. If a competitor runs faster than 8.5's without a 25.5 certified cage he is automatically DQ'ed. If he/she run faster than 8.50 in qualifying the qualifying speed will be set to 8.50.


What do you think??

That may be doable next year, but its too late in the season to enforce that rule and expect a good turn out. Lets get the cars out there so folks can see whats involved with going 25.5 and make provisions to get thier car done for next year. Besides 25.5 may not be enough :eek:
 
Specifically "All cars MUST possess applicable safety equipement for speeds obtained".
All i can say is there a huge liability running that fast without all the safety equipment . These buick events have been turning the other cheek to safety and tech . The way i see it if someone gets in a bad wreck n gets hurt there alot finger pointing gonna be goin on about what coulda and shoulda been done . You only got one life no reason to roll the dice. The only thing i dont like about 25.5 is the funny car cage and the 10 grand lol.
 
Cal, since the rules are not done, I would like to see a rule added.

Specifically "All cars MUST possess applicable safety equipement for speeds obtained".


What do you think??

That should be the very first concern i.m.o. safety first right??
 
The safety stuff is all well and good but I have a problem with a racer saying I shouldnt be able to run my car because the cage in MY CAR isn't certified for the ET that I run. Two years ago my car was legal to 7.50 and just because the NHRA changed the cert rules doesnt make my car a death trap. Why is this such a issue all of a sudden? I can only assume that Ted's old car is getting a updated cage or he wouldn't be bringing it up. Not trying to slam you Ted but you sure went alot faster than 8.50 this year. It didnt just happen once but several times, you ,me and others ran that fast illegaly because we were having fun and we wanted to go even faster.

I agree that the 25 spec cages are safer without a doubt but if the host track doesnt have a problem with it then why should a TSO racer? If thats the new rule then so be it. Matter of fact, go ahead and do me a favor by changing the rule because I don't have the time or money to change the car so close to the start of the season. Just thinking of all the money I'll save by not racing sounds good. Sitting out for awhile is probably for the best because I've started taking this stuff too serious.

Not trying to start a war with anyone Im just having one of those days and this got under my skin. Go ahead and start bashing me if you want.

Dave Fiscus
 
Dave i agree we are in the same boat with the economy and travel cost its not easy to race at all . I can tell you we had the cage done a long time ago and it was 7.50 untill the rule change now its 8.50 . Sooner or later the rules will be inforced and we cant race anywhere .
 
The safety stuff is all well and good but I have a problem with a racer saying I shouldnt be able to run my car because the cage in MY CAR isn't certified for the ET that I run. Two years ago my car was legal to 7.50 and just because the NHRA changed the cert rules doesnt make my car a death trap. Why is this such a issue all of a sudden? I can only assume that Ted's old car is getting a updated cage or he wouldn't be bringing it up. Not trying to slam you Ted but you sure went alot faster than 8.50 this year. It didnt just happen once but several times, you ,me and others ran that fast illegaly because we were having fun and we wanted to go even faster.

I agree that the 25 spec cages are safer without a doubt but if the host track doesnt have a problem with it then why should a TSO racer? If thats the new rule then so be it. Matter of fact, go ahead and do me a favor by changing the rule because I don't have the time or money to change the car so close to the start of the season. Just thinking of all the money I'll save by not racing sounds good. Sitting out for awhile is probably for the best because I've started taking this stuff too serious.

Not trying to start a war with anyone Im just having one of those days and this got under my skin. Go ahead and start bashing me if you want.

Dave Fiscus

My point exactly this is a rule that needs to be talked about for next year.
 
Let me here everyones comments on these rules:

Racing Rules:

INTENT: This a heads up class for 81-87 Buick regal bodied cars running single turbo Buick V6 engines and stock style rear suspension with a 10.5" tire. The class is to be run on a .400 pro-tree and on a pro-ladder. All cars must have all applicable safety equipment for speeds obtained and must be able to pass host track safety tech. All entrants SHOULD have the necessary equipment for the speeds they are running. Host track safety tech will make all decisions concerning safety tech of vehicles competing in the TSO top Gun Point Series and it is the drivers responsibility to make sure their car meets ALL host track requirements.

Class minimum weight is 3250#

1. BODY: 1981-1987 Regal body required with stock firewall location and full stock frame with stock wheelbase required (108.0" measured). Frame modifications for roll cages, safety, tire size and cross member clearance are allowed. Frame notching for tire clearance is allowed but the inner frame rail can not be modified or moved from its stock location. Four functioning headlights and taillights required. Light weight aftermarket body panels allowed. No pin on doors or front ends allowed. Doors must have door panels and be functional with functional windows allowed.

2. EXHAUST: No part of turbo exhaust may exit forward of engine flywheel area and a muffler is required.

3. FRONT SUSPENSION: Must have stock mounting locations. Any aftermarket bolt on part is allowed. Rack and pinion conversions are allowed. NO SPINDLE MOUNT WHEELS ALLOWED

4. REAR SUSPENSION: must maintain factory mounting locations on the frame. Coil over conversion allowed, sway bar and panhard bar modifications are allowed. Must maintain factory 4-link arrangement. Any automotive type solid axle housing allowed.

5. TIRES: Rear tires may either be DOT-approved and labeled or labeled for racing slicks. DOT tires must have labels facing the outside of the body and are limited to a maximum new tread width of 12.1 inches and can never exceed 12.25 inches in width. Slicks are limited to a maximum sidewall designation of 10.5 inches width and may never exceed 11.1 inches in width. No drive tire may have sidewall designation height greater than 29.5 inches. The front tires are limited to 4.5- inch minimum tread width. The tread of tires must not protrude outside of the exterior of bodyline at top of tires.
** Measurement will be taken with tape measure from end of tread to end of tread.
(This dose not allow the MT 29.5x10.5W)

6. TURBO: Maximum compressor wheel size is 88.0 mm /3.464” - inducer wheel diameter. Turbos with a compressor exducer diameter larger than 127mm/5.000" and/or a turbine exducer diameter larger than 93mm/3.66" must use 275/60 DR's.
Compressor wheel to housing clearance must maintain a maximum of 0.080” clearance beginning from a) where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the inlet of the compressor housing to b) the transition point where the trailing edge of the compressor wheel meets the volute. All air entering the turbocharger must pass through the turbocharger inlet. Injection of any liquid, gas, or any other substance into the inlet or exhaust housing prohibited. Turbocharger compressor wheel must be constructed of cast or billet aluminum. Exotic material wheels prohibited. The tips of the impeller wheel may not be stepped, cut down, or notched to meet impeller tip-to-tip dimension. (.500-inch will define the tip of the impeller wheel).

Turbo must be located within the factory engine compartment. No part of the turbo can be mounted forward of the factory core support. The crossover pipe can be in any location.

Any competitor is subject to inspection and removal of compressor housing or downpipe. If protested by another competitor, the protesting competitor is required to put up $100 which will be given up if the turbo is found to be legal. Anyone found to be illegal or unwilling to remove the compressor cover or downpipe for inspection will be automatically dis-qualified and removed from the point series.

7. TRANSMISSION: Any GM automatic transmission w/ any torque converter allowed. No Lenco, Liberty or manual transmissions with or without clutch allowed.

8. FUEL: Gasoline fuel only, no additives, alcohol, or nitrous oxide injection allowed. No additional injection/spray of any sort in or on the motor, turbo, IC, drive train etc. NOS bottle(s) shall not be on vehicle during competition or qualifying.

9. Interior: Stock appearing dashboard and passenger seat required, door panels required, interior must be carpeted and as close to factory appearing as possible. Rear seat may be removed, but area shall be carpeted.

WEIGHTS:
3250# with a 50# penalty for a liquid IC
** All weights will have a five pound error factor for scale inconsistency
 
The safety stuff is all well and good but I have a problem with a racer saying I shouldnt be able to run my car because the cage in MY CAR isn't certified for the ET that I run. Two years ago my car was legal to 7.50 and just because the NHRA changed the cert rules doesnt make my car a death trap. Why is this such a issue all of a sudden? I can only assume that Ted's old car is getting a updated cage or he wouldn't be bringing it up. Not trying to slam you Ted but you sure went alot faster than 8.50 this year. It didnt just happen once but several times, you ,me and others ran that fast illegaly because we were having fun and we wanted to go even faster.

I agree that the 25 spec cages are safer without a doubt but if the host track doesnt have a problem with it then why should a TSO racer? If thats the new rule then so be it. Matter of fact, go ahead and do me a favor by changing the rule because I don't have the time or money to change the car so close to the start of the season. Just thinking of all the money I'll save by not racing sounds good. Sitting out for awhile is probably for the best because I've started taking this stuff too serious.

Not trying to start a war with anyone Im just having one of those days and this got under my skin. Go ahead and start bashing me if you want.

Dave Fiscus

Ficus,
Don't get your panties in a wad over it .:D
Not worth it.

Pretty funny to watch people who think they are fooling any body but themselves

Just remember opionions are like azzholes :rolleyes:

I say you change your name to something like S2HiPSI claim a record in your sig and come on the board more often ;)
 
Didn't Kolivas put his in the 6's on 275's? I'm with Brad on this issue, tires aren't the limiter, its the turbo. everybdy knows this.
 
About this 25.5 or 25.3 update, who's willing to post up the actual cost for this on here. I know the cost for safety should be of no concern, but who can really do this now this late in the process. Do some of you guys realize how long it takes to do this much less a typical chassis builder getting in a hurry.
 
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