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Craig Smith
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No such thing as stupid questions... But I'm FULL of stupid answers!!! 
55Belair is correct... you need to order the sensor from your dealer. You should expect to pay about 400 bucks.
Craig
55Belair is correct... you need to order the sensor from your dealer. You should expect to pay about 400 bucks.
Craig
Craig Smith
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The cost for a replacement sensor for one of the FAST systems is about 400 bucks. What exactly do you have right now? I assumed you were running a FAST system and were inquiring about a new O2 sensor.
Craig
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Craig Smith
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We make a standalone engine management system, but we don't have a wideband solution for you that would work with anything other than our system.
If you are interested you can call Dan Saitz at Hyperformance Motorsports in St. Louis at (314) 842-3814. Dan is one of my dealers.
Craig
If you are interested you can call Dan Saitz at Hyperformance Motorsports in St. Louis at (314) 842-3814. Dan is one of my dealers.
Craig
There are some pricey units available from various vendors, Ramchargers has a stand alone wide band O2 for $1100.
If you are handy you can build one apparently. I haven't tried it, but this is what Bruce Plecan posted to the GN T-type list:
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:11:46 -0500
From: "Bruce" <nacelp@bright.net>
Subject: Re: DIY WB
Seems like some folks may have missed this,
a DIY Wide Band O2 (not to be confused with an oem switching type).
anyway, please read the users agreement, and either abide by it or pass on
the whole thing. It's to guarantee that work continues on other projects,
if folks won't abide by it, that will kill off other projects. It's meant
to be educational, ie if you don't know how to solder this would be a great
time to learn, selling assembled boards, for profit does violate the users
agreement. It's written in clear english, let's not mess up a good thing
here, OK?.
It's not meant to be a lab grade unit, and so far the display is limited to
using a DVM, thou there is a bargraph design floating around. I've
compared mine to several others, and commercial units, and they are close.
Remember you never tune to get a specific AFR, you tune for best
performance. It as well as EGT are only tuning aids!. Reading plugs is
still necessary. No it won't directly interface with a ecm of any sort.
And again the display so far is limited to a Digitial Volt Meter. There is
a voltage to AFR conversion, included.
1st address is for basic information,
the second for the printed circuit boars
the 3rd for the parts kit (all but misc wires, and sensor)
(NAPA generally has the best price on the sensors).
http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/projects/diy_wb/
http://208.37.117.207/wborder.html
diywb@ciciora.com.
The GP for the boards is currently shipping ones from the last batch, and
I'm not sure how many parts kits are left.
All of the people working on this are doing all the work for free, so your
not paying for instant replies, and daily updates. If you order a board,
you'll get the price after the GP closes, the prices vary by number ordered,
so the exact figure may take a few weeks (month) to be finalised. Same with
the parts kits. Being absolutely non profit makes it easily affordable, but
the down side is no one is working full time answering *me-too* guestions.
Also, if you order once, don't repeat your order, unless you want another
board. You'll get it when things are shipped, after your check is recived,
oh, and no checks are cashed till stuff is shipped (current policy).
There has never been a net project like this before, where everything is
non profit, and folks tend to confuse it with commercial items which are
totally different. This has been in the works for 4 years. Alot of time,
and money went into bringing this to life, please don't get into work games,
and wanting to cash in on it. While we have to pay for the boards, and
parts, the folks we buy them from make some profit on it, but noone on our
end is making a penny.
This is not a commercial advertisement, again note it's non-for-profit.
Just a random act of kindness.
Hopefully, Santa is on the look out for something else <g>.
There is an ongoing discusion about it on the DIY, but all the tech stuff
is in the archives, if you want to get all the details. In the not too
distant future there will be a web site devoted entirely to this.
If there is enough interest maybe, we could expond upon it here (ie
mountings, etc).
Bruce
If you are handy you can build one apparently. I haven't tried it, but this is what Bruce Plecan posted to the GN T-type list:
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:11:46 -0500
From: "Bruce" <nacelp@bright.net>
Subject: Re: DIY WB
Seems like some folks may have missed this,
a DIY Wide Band O2 (not to be confused with an oem switching type).
anyway, please read the users agreement, and either abide by it or pass on
the whole thing. It's to guarantee that work continues on other projects,
if folks won't abide by it, that will kill off other projects. It's meant
to be educational, ie if you don't know how to solder this would be a great
time to learn, selling assembled boards, for profit does violate the users
agreement. It's written in clear english, let's not mess up a good thing
here, OK?.
It's not meant to be a lab grade unit, and so far the display is limited to
using a DVM, thou there is a bargraph design floating around. I've
compared mine to several others, and commercial units, and they are close.
Remember you never tune to get a specific AFR, you tune for best
performance. It as well as EGT are only tuning aids!. Reading plugs is
still necessary. No it won't directly interface with a ecm of any sort.
And again the display so far is limited to a Digitial Volt Meter. There is
a voltage to AFR conversion, included.
1st address is for basic information,
the second for the printed circuit boars
the 3rd for the parts kit (all but misc wires, and sensor)
(NAPA generally has the best price on the sensors).
http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/projects/diy_wb/
http://208.37.117.207/wborder.html
diywb@ciciora.com.
The GP for the boards is currently shipping ones from the last batch, and
I'm not sure how many parts kits are left.
All of the people working on this are doing all the work for free, so your
not paying for instant replies, and daily updates. If you order a board,
you'll get the price after the GP closes, the prices vary by number ordered,
so the exact figure may take a few weeks (month) to be finalised. Same with
the parts kits. Being absolutely non profit makes it easily affordable, but
the down side is no one is working full time answering *me-too* guestions.
Also, if you order once, don't repeat your order, unless you want another
board. You'll get it when things are shipped, after your check is recived,
oh, and no checks are cashed till stuff is shipped (current policy).
There has never been a net project like this before, where everything is
non profit, and folks tend to confuse it with commercial items which are
totally different. This has been in the works for 4 years. Alot of time,
and money went into bringing this to life, please don't get into work games,
and wanting to cash in on it. While we have to pay for the boards, and
parts, the folks we buy them from make some profit on it, but noone on our
end is making a penny.
This is not a commercial advertisement, again note it's non-for-profit.
Just a random act of kindness.
Hopefully, Santa is on the look out for something else <g>.
There is an ongoing discusion about it on the DIY, but all the tech stuff
is in the archives, if you want to get all the details. In the not too
distant future there will be a web site devoted entirely to this.
If there is enough interest maybe, we could expond upon it here (ie
mountings, etc).
Bruce
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I've got a few friends that run the LT1 Edit with good results but it doesn't have the capabilities of the fast system. There is a stand alone UEGO system that is available that my friend uses to tune his Haltech system that costs about 800 buck or so. He has to use 2 laptops at once to do it though. You would prolly be better off foing to the Fast system as it would allow you to tune easier, especially if you are planning on running boost. I personally use the Fast system and am very happy with it.
Cheaper solution(s)...
If all you want to do is watch the A/F ratio and you've got a tuning solution already then I suggest you check out this site -> http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/default.htm
The sensors can be had for $120 or so at NAPA, and the heater circuit\display box can be built for under $100 or so. This IS a WB solution and not one of those silly volt meters used with the regular O2 sensors.
I'm looking seriously at the AEM ECU for a Supra I've purchased since it's PnP for that car and can use one of these WB solutions - I found this looking for a cheaper way to do WB. I may also use one of the AEM "race" ECUs for another car. Dual knock, dual O2, 10 programmable I/Os, 10cylinder capability, PnP for a pile of imports, and the PnP for the Supra is supposed to be as low as $1400 ready to go. Don't yet know what the race piece will cost. The current "race" beta software is ugly but VERY powerful - we'll see when it gets out the door how well it'll work other than PnP. I may yet end up with a GEN7 or FAST for the project car.
Another cheap way to go is the Holley Commander with the race software that's capable of reading an O2 signal from one of these boxes. I don't know how hard it would be to use one of these DIY setups with a FAST system but $900 for WB capability is a bit steep now that parts to do it yourself are available. Can the FAST take a 1-5volt WB signal? Which UEGO does the fAST system use? If it's NTK then this controller box can run it and convert the signals properly....
If all you want to do is watch the A/F ratio and you've got a tuning solution already then I suggest you check out this site -> http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/default.htm
The sensors can be had for $120 or so at NAPA, and the heater circuit\display box can be built for under $100 or so. This IS a WB solution and not one of those silly volt meters used with the regular O2 sensors.
I'm looking seriously at the AEM ECU for a Supra I've purchased since it's PnP for that car and can use one of these WB solutions - I found this looking for a cheaper way to do WB. I may also use one of the AEM "race" ECUs for another car. Dual knock, dual O2, 10 programmable I/Os, 10cylinder capability, PnP for a pile of imports
, and the PnP for the Supra is supposed to be as low as $1400 ready to go. Don't yet know what the race piece will cost. The current "race" beta software is ugly but VERY powerful - we'll see when it gets out the door how well it'll work other than PnP. I may yet end up with a GEN7 or FAST for the project car.Another cheap way to go is the Holley Commander with the race software that's capable of reading an O2 signal from one of these boxes. I don't know how hard it would be to use one of these DIY setups with a FAST system but $900 for WB capability is a bit steep now that parts to do it yourself are available. Can the FAST take a 1-5volt WB signal? Which UEGO does the fAST system use? If it's NTK then this controller box can run it and convert the signals properly....
