Thats cool that there are some that fast, if I had the money I would make mine the fastest it could be!
i think a mostly stock car that is tuned and refined is a 12 second car, which is actually pretty quick for a street car.
Yes. I agree. If you run 12.0 or close it's still a quick car. But if you wan't to call it "quick" when you talk to your other "Hot-Rod" friends it should be able to do it at any time, for any reason, with pump-gas, street pressure in the tires, with your girlfriend or mother driving, from any traffic light, on any day, at any temperature, with a passenger, on any street! Because these days that is what you need to keep-up with the new stuff that's being sold to the public.
To do that, you may have to build an 11.0 car or faster. If it can do that........Then it is quick by anyone's standards! And I don't believe you would ever fail to impress anyone.
Yes. I agree. If you run 12.0 or close it's still a quick car. But if you wan't to call it "quick" when you talk to your other "Hot-Rod" friends it should be able to do it at any time, for any reason, with pump-gas, street pressure in the tires, with your girlfriend or mother driving, from any traffic light, on any day, at any temperature, with a passenger, on any street! Because these days that is what you need to keep-up with the new stuff that's being sold to the public.
To do that, you may have to build an 11.0 car or faster. If it can do that........Then it is quick by anyone's standards! And I don't believe you would ever fail to impress anyone.
too bad i don't give a crap what other people think and i most definitely aint trying to impress anyone.. a 12 second car feels plenty fast to me, and i'll give up all out speed for comfort and reliability since i like to be able to jump in my car and drive it anywhere, any time and i can't afford to pay a tow truck to drag my car home 500 miles when something breaks..
It shouldn't be too hard these days. Engine management is faster and better. E-85 and Alky-injection helps. Basically build 9 second car the same way you build an intercooled car. Then just subtract the intercooler! What's the big deal? You don't need a 50 lb piece of aluminum hanging off the front of the car anyway.
The trick is using the factory block and set-up. But why bother. The 86/87 guys don't use factory anything (except for the block) to run 9's. So use a 109 block and run 9's too. I'm convinced if I plumbed my turbos dirrectly to my throttle body and bypassed the cooler it would still go 9's. And funny thing....my car is an 85 T-Type with an 85 stage motor!
You don't need an intercooler. Fact is........You still need everything else.
There are several 109 iron headed stock stroked stock intake doghouse i/c cars in the nines....take a look at the tai section and you will see them
So they are using more than just the block..
Not saying there won't be a nine second hot air..but it's not anywhere as easy as a I/c car..and that's not a very easy task either...
Not stepping on toes just pointing out facts
Pat broughton
I'm not sure but I think you just said the same thing as I did. I know there are a lot of 109's in the 9's. I knew this long before I was a member of this forum and I definitely don't need to read anything in this forum to be convinced that this is happening.
So, the question is what defines a hot-air set-up?
If leaving the intercooler out is the only defining factor.......then yes. Technically, It shouldn't be too hard these days..... Simple actually. Nothing innovative has to be done. We all know the combination of parts to build a 9 second car. This is no mystery.
Step 1- Secure funding. This is the ONLY hard part.
Step 2- Build a low 9 second car and leave out the intercooler. Re-tune. Run E-85 or M-1 and go high 9's. Done.
The only real mystery for most of us is the Step-1 part.
Now.......If you define a Hot-air set-up as needing an 84/85 block, then we agree. The tech may still need some development. So even money won't make it easy.
What facts have you pointed out that somehow I didn't already agree with?
Again, I'll be more clear with my final sentence from my quoted post.
You don't need an intercooler in an 84/85 car to run 9's. Fact is...........you still need everything else that the 86/87 need to do it.
I'm not defining a hot air based on just the block ...
I'm basing it on the entire set up in its current form. The turbo location stock intake manifold (ported/gutted whatever) .. this is what I'm defining ...
Now your may be talking about a race car setup 86-87 and just yanking the intercooler off and thus it's now a hot air....I don't see it that way..
I also don't know of any form of turbo cars buicks that's in the nines without a intercooler using non stage 2 parts...
The biggest problem is the heat and alky injection can only do so much before it's saturated the air and chokes out the engine..I dunno about the e85 stuff but I'm sure it can only remove so much heat before it too saturates the air and chokes out the engine .
It gonna take a much larger turbo than needed for a I/c just singly can get the same airflow at a lower pressure to help reduce the heat.
Air being compressed adds about 11 degrees for every 1 psi ..
Yea it is easy on the internet or if you never go to the track .lol yeah 9 second full weight buicks are easy to build even intercooled if you have a lot of loot