Conducted a little experiment this weekend

bobc455

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Just thought that I would share the results of an experiement with y'all.

I have a NA 455 engine, with the Fel-Pro (i.e. FAST) controller. I use this car as my daily driver, and strive for both performance and drivability/gas mileage.

Ever since the FI has been installed, I have not liked how difficult the car is to drive around town- just touching the throttle slightly can be enough to launch hard, making it uncomfortable and probably not helping the gas mileage. (Turbo 6 cars probably don't have nearly this sort of problem, because they have to wait for the turbo to spool up before they make their HP- with an NA car and blown/supercharged car, the HP is all right there waiting for you to touch the gas pedal).

My throttle body is a 1000 CFM 4-barrel with progressive linkage. I thought that maybe if I could restrict the airflow on the primary bores somehow, it would be less "touchy".

My first idea was to make some sort of restrictor that fits over the primary bores, with a small (3/4"?) diameter hole. But after thinking about it, I realized that this would not really affect low-throttle performance, and would only decrease airflow under high throttle position.

So I did some checking- the throttle bores are 1.75" diameter, and I found that a raquetball (from your local sports store) is 2.25" diameter. Bought some, dropped it in the driver's side primary throttle bore. I thought this would work because on a progressive linkage, you already have an airflow imbalance- the primary throttle bores are more toward the front half of the engine, therefore the rear half must not receive as much air. So by the same token, what if the right side of the engine received more air than the left side? Probably won't be noticable.

Initial driving around was much improved- now 1/4" of throttle travel was a decent takeoff from a stoplight, and not spinning the tires. Overall, driving around was better.

My concern, though, was air distribution. Since I can only block one side or the other, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't running lean on one side and rich on the other. Since the raquetball was on the driver's side, the oxygen sensor (in the passenger side exhaust pipe) would see lean if this was a problem, and make corrections.

Results at 70-75 MPH:

Original: 16% TPS, about 8.5% injector DC, about 48 kPa, O2 correction around 0-2%.

With raquetball: about 26% TPS, about 9.8% injector DC, 52-53 kPa, O2 correction around 7-9%.

Summary: The test failed. Drivability was much improved, but gas mileage went down because half the engine was running rich and half was running lean. The engine seemed to shake a bit also- probably from running imbalanced right-to-left.

Just thought I would share that...

-Bob Cunningham
 
A better way in my book is using a decreasing radius linkage set up.
Most of the newer cars and Euro stuff use them.

At about 30% throttle opening you have about 70% of your possible airflow. Once I got that it made the linkages alot easier to understand, least for me.

Shame on your v6 off idle response statement..... LOL
 
Can you attach the throttle cable higher on the TB linkage? My TB has 4 holes in the arm. The top hole requires the most pedal travel. This would help calm it down a bit.
 
I've looked high and low for the "decreasing radius" linkage arrangement, but I can't find one that will work with my throttle body. I could swear that I saw someone selling a kit a few years ago, but I just can't find it now. If anyone has heard of someone who sells it, I'd appreciate a lead...

I can't move the linkage up any further, it's up all the way already. I can't extend the linkage, or I'll hit the air cleaner base.

I thought about taking some timing out, and also decreasing the AE vs. TPS rate of change. Maybe I will take out a bit of timing, but it irks me to have to de-tune a car like that...

Thanks for the ideas.We'll see.

-Bob Cunningham
 
I had a similar problem with my TPIS Miniram. I originally used an '89 throttle body, hard launch, sucked in the rain. Changed to a LT1 style which they call progressive and took care of the problem. And them v6's:D
 
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