Catch can vs....

Chuck Leeper

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screwin around trying to get a pcv that seals/works. Any words of wisdom??
My "unmolested" 87 T has more oil in the up pipe, plenum, and i/c than there is in the pan....:mad:

Good thing it's all coming off. I'll then dump the i/c out, and clean the t/b, plenum, intake.
No wonder this thing rattles the knok sensor, and back fires...It must realize it's not made to run on 10w30......:yuck:
Am looking at a "Mightymouse catch can system. NE1 use one, or 1 like it?? [I am putting 1 on my LS ride.]

http://www.mightymousesolutions.com/
 
Where are you going to install that? I couldn't find a location with the stock a/c. I have seen them mounted on the plate when the a/c is eliminated. I had to go to smaller can that I could mount vertical.
 
Where are you going to install that? I couldn't find a location with the stock a/c. I have seen them mounted on the plate when the a/c is eliminated. I had to go to smaller can that I could mount vertical.

Got a pic or 2??:D
 
Catch cans become another job, mine is.
i have a check and the pvc valve and i still get tons of oil out of that bitch
 
Catch cans become another job, mine is.
i have a check and the pvc valve and i still get tons of oil out of that bitch

Mine has a new AC pcv in it. I checked it for proper op, seems ok. Still enuf oil gets by to drip off the up pipe hose connection, onto the i/c......:mad:
 
pcv catch isnt going to help with bad turbo compressor seal
 
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even if your PCV seals completely, any blowby is going to go out the passenger side breather and into the turbo inlet. (You did say it was "unmolested") It is likely carrying a lot of oil/vapor...

Bob
 
I installed mine behind the radiator. I made a mounting bracket out of angle aluminum stock. One for the PCV system and the other for the valve covers.
 

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I made my own that worked great. Throttle body to brake booster check valve, then across to 1/4 npt 3/8 barb mounted in the side of an Otter box filled with pillow floss, then back out to the pcv valve. Just changed it's diaper every few weeks and enjoyed a dry intake. Later moved the setup to another car and deleted the pcv valve, using a Camaro air pump connected to the valve covers and to a vented catch can.
 
even if your PCV seals completely, any blowby is going to go out the passenger side breather and into the turbo inlet. (You did say it was "unmolested") It is likely carrying a lot of oil/vapor...

Bob

Sorry, Bob...The "unmolested" comment was meant to be a bit of sarcasm..Guess I should have added :rolleyes:.
Now that I've totally disassembled everything to the ft of the engine, it's obviously poorly maintained.:mad:
It has the "mod filter" added, as it has a TE34 on it.
Going to be interesting to see what the t/chain looks like...:wtf:
 
Lots of oil

I got two of them suction things full of oil.
 

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oil carry-over through a breather or a PCV is very normal. Smaller diameter components like a PCV tend to have high oil carry-over because the small size forces high velocity of the crankcase gases traveling through them. High velocity gas doesn't give up it's oil vapor as readily as low velocity gas. Slower moving gases tend to allow the oil to separate and fall out of the gas flow.

The reason that catch cans look so nasty (foamy, slimy) is because they are cold relative to the temperature in the crankcase. Combustion creates water, and that water vapor blows past the rings along with the rest of the blow by gases that get into the crankcase. There's a lot of water. As long as the engine crank case runs nice and warm and the engine has a breather and/or a PCV, you will never see this water collect in the crank case. However, when the blow by gases are routed out of the crankcase and into a cool canister like a catch can, the water vapor is now forced to cool down, condense, and collect on the cool surfaces. It doesn't indicate that there's a problem, it's just physics.

When it comes to crankcase ventilation, keep it simple.
-use a large free-flow open breather element on the valve covers, no flaps inside to restrict flow. 2 units is preferable. the engine absolutely requires this crankcase ventilation at WOT because the PCV doesn't do anything at WOT. In fact, if anything the PCV contributes to WOT blow by due to leaking boost pressure backwards into the crankcase.
-2 breathers is preferable due to the velocity thing mentioned above. If an engine makes 600CFH blow by at WOT, then 1 breather would need to flow all 600CFH, 2 breathers would flow 300CFH each, 4 breathers 150CFH each, etc.... as the flow rate through each breather slows, the oil carry over through the breathers will be reduced. Using more breathers will also help to keep the engine crank case pressure nice and low when the blow by really starts to flow.
-the only reason to run a PCV is because you don't like the smell of the blow by gasses coming from the crank case. Many folks can't stand it because it can be nauseating. However you will always have some oil carryover when you run a PCV. The best you can do is control it by controlling the PCV flow rate. Try using a PCV with a stiffer spring to reduce PCV flow.
-if running an open breather / no PCV system, I recommend making sure your cowl vent weather strip is installed as it prevents much of the crankcase vapor smell from entering the car. Valvoline seems to have a nicer bouqet than other oils, and doesn't make me want to yak! lol.....
 
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