Jesus drives a buick? i knew it!
LOL that was some funny s***
Jesus drives a buick? i knew it!
There is 2 sides to this thing guys!
Cal, and others like him, spend countless hours and dollars working on these cars to figure out combo's that work. Customers pay lots of money for this stuff. Would it be right to just come spell out letter for letter for free what a customer just paid lots for in some cases to figure out?
I know we certainly shared a lot of what we did to our race car(s) but not everything by any means...
Stock bottom end 231ci and Champion iron heads.
So what is the point of this board? A forum for bragging rights? A place to see which vendor can get the most people to spend money with them? I have stated before, the vendors cant tell it all but this keeping secrets unless you pay me is going to get out of hand. More than half the TR community know "popular TR vendors" from GM High Tech when they did more TR stuff. Guess since I refuse to hop onto a bandwagon I'm going to be considered a troublemaker. Sorry, I just like to see people like like me on here. I dont think how much money to dish out should decide how fast you are able to go. That is one of the main reason people avoid these cars now! I like the true members here. Ones who tell you the truth, keep you from wasting money, or giving you a false sense of hope. I have plenty of great guys on this forum to communicate with and are happy they do what they do. I just hope others learn as I did.
Now, I didnt use any names to avoid the rants... but, if the shoe fits...lace it up! :tongue:
I like the true members here. Ones who tell you the truth, keep you from wasting money, or giving you a false sense of hope.
So what is the point of this board? A forum for bragging rights?
You didn't name any names, but the shoe fits all the fast class racers. I'll speak for them because I know what it takes to get there. We spend countless hours prepping the car before it goes to the track, countless $$$ running and testing the cars, take time off work to do this, countless money maintaining them, countless $$$ testing components to (hopefully) go faster. In a perfect world we would lay this out for everybody to follow or improve on and not repeat mistakes we made, but in defense to ourselves, nobody is helping us, we are footing the bill for this technology with the vendors we use. I would hope my vendors would STFU on these public forums about what is going on in my programs, I'm sure others would agree.
In a nutshell on this thread you learned you can run 9.5x+ with a 231 ci stock block engine with iron heads. Call a good engine builder who has built these if you don't know what to do yourself.
Call a good engine builder who has built these if you don't know what to do yourself.
You didn't name any names, but the shoe fits all the fast class racers. I'll speak for them because I know what it takes to get there. We spend countless hours prepping the car before it goes to the track, countless $$$ running and testing the cars, take time off work to do this, countless money maintaining them, countless $$$ testing components to (hopefully) go faster. In a perfect world we would lay this out for everybody to follow or improve on and not repeat mistakes we made, but in defense to ourselves, nobody is helping us, we are footing the bill for this technology with the vendors we use. I would hope my vendors would STFU on these public forums about what is going on in my programs, I'm sure others would agree.
In a nutshell on this thread you learned you can run 9.5x+ with a 231 ci stock block engine with iron heads. Call a good engine builder who has built these if you don't know what to do yourself.
I have been on the board for a while and I dont recall someone ever giving a false sense of hope or making me waste money. There are lots of good folks on here that give TONS of free truthful (IMO) info all the time such as Don Cruz, Bison, Jack C., Cal, etc... So just because someone is not forth coming with all there info so be it. Do you race for money at every Buick event?? Do you race in a class for points and to be #1?? A good magician never shows all their tricks.
The point of the board is to share knowledge, information, make money as the vendors do, and to create business relationships and friendships. This board has been nothing but helpful to me personally and lots of other people as well. whats wrong with a little bragging?? If you got it, flaunt it if you want!! If you spend the time, money, and effort into doing anything you love and you reap the results and want to share that with the world then so be it. Otherwise talking about someone bragging about something shows some jealousy on your part in my opinion.
I don't understand the need to persist with trying to get info out of Cal. He said all he is at liberty to say. Its not HIS car and what he did tell was all his customer wanted for him to. All this post was for, is to let people know who are on the fence about which turbo they should select, between a 70mm or a 67mm. The 67 did run 9.71 @139mph in a heavy car. That's it. Vendors are not at liberty to disclose customers setups unless they give him that permission. So putting Cal on the spot is silly when he is NOT at liberty to discuss the details as he mentioned in his first post. Nobody on this board owes anybody nothing. Anything you do get, you should be grateful for.
WOW !!! interesting thread !!! Cal big congrats Thats crankin!!
Now for all the ones who need all the info so they can do the same as this unidentified owner Melissa ran her 9 sec pass a few years ago and I posted everything we had in the car. The only thing we didn't give out was the "tune" BUT she uses a TT chip !! If ya can't take the time an play with the car to figure it out ... wellll :biggrin: Damm these cars are getting faster and faster !!
How about this - If I have a cast 6776 dbb, what kind of gains can be expected when switching to a billet? Assume additional needed supporting mods are not an issue. My only time to the strip netted a 10.82 @ 128 - let's pretend I just swapped turbos, any ideas? I know there is more left in my car, just wondering ......