That was an interesting thread. Really don't understand why it was closed. I think both sides of that argument make sense to some degree.
I would bet with the V6 guys on maximum power with an 88mm or smaller turbo. It's very obvious to me that after playing with these turbos for a while, the smaller (and sometimes less efficient) engines make more power with the same turbo for the most part. The compressor maps give you the answer to that.
However, I think the V6 guys are crazy if they think it's cheaper to go 9s with a v6. And the weakest LS aluminum block is still much stronger than the 109.
If you were replacing a 305 in a monte ss that would be really cool. Putting a ls an a turbo buick for a street cruser is just lame!!!!
I think of V8 TurboBuicks same as the guy that married the "community" girl. Everyone has done that:biggrin::biggrin: He could have done much better:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
I don't really play with cars to impress other people. I do enjoy racing and the competition aspect of it. That in mind, I try and go as fast as possible for the budget I have. Yes, the V6 is cooler....but if I can go faster for the same dollar by going another way, it's worth it to me.
I bet that cheap ass engine I described above can spool up a 47/88 easily. I've gone 173mph @ 3200# with one of those turbos before on a 347 Ford. I wouldn't push this combo that hard, I'm just saying I know it would spool it easy..... and with the controller off making 6psi it would likely run on pump gas.
That adds up to probably less than 5k for a piece that will honestly take 1000hp. Obviously there are plenty of misc expenses, like a $750 harness and $150 PCM, and of course Phil might charge a decent amount for the tuneup. But we're talking about a potential for 1000hp. That's a hell of a bargain in my book.
I hate it for the community as a whole but I also realize it just makes the value of my fleet go up a little everytime another bites the dust so...
The misc expense engine management, harness, fuel pump all combos have.
5K for a long block I think is a realistic number if you shop and you have shopped. Dont know that agree I with an engine that will handle 1000HP. I am thinking more like 750HP but we are splitting hairs to argue about it. The main thing here is you have no Turbo Buick drive train or any go fast goodies so you have nothing to work with as you are starting with nothing other than a rolling chassis I am assuming this from your post.
You're correct. The 1000hp number I got from three different friend's cars from around here in the past few years. All three of them were actually twin turbo systems, but I don't think that's relevant. Quickest one went 8.2x and 170+ at around 3300#, the other two were in the high 8s and between 155 and 165 I think. All were F-body cars. There are others who have claimed it around here, but I saw the actual parts and passes of these three cars and they were stock LS1 block, crank, and head castings.
The car I bought is already wired for a classic FAST for the V6, and even has a downpipe and exhaust so I'm still tempted because I'd really prefer the v6.
1000hp is on the low side. One local nitrous racer swapped to an LS based stock aluminum block, stock crank, upgraded rods and pistons, patriot heads, comp turbo cam kit. It was in a 3250# Mustang. Neat thing was basically no machine work involved at all when using the stock crank. Honed the cylinders, sized the rods to the crank. Less than $500 for the machine shop bill. I tuned the BS3 system on it. Car went 8.50 with an 80mm using the stock manifolds. That is over 1000hp. He had a local guy run some 2.5 tubing from the manifolds to the turbo. The V6 will net you 9.0's if you've really got your stuff together and it's a grenade with the pin pulled.
The stock block, crank of the LS is already proven to be durable well into the mid 8's at 3500#.
I'd say for mid 9's the V6 should be used. If someone wants high 8's the LS is the way to go. Otherwise break out the Stage 2 bank roll.
I am a little fuzzy on this thread so I have a question. Are we talking V8 vs V6 in ANY car or just that no one should cup up a nice Turbo Buick to put in a V8, 2 different things IMO. I would hate to see many more of these cars get destroyed, of couse once it has a roll cage and that sort of thing I am not sure it matters. There is so many G body cars that can be bought right that will do the same thing.
Mike
I am talking about cutting up a Turbo Buick...
Your right about the other G bodies. All though NONE are as hot as the Buick though
Shane Stacks SS Monte Carlo comes to mind when talking about badazz Gbodies!
Shane, Just because someone puts in a V8 and sets the V6 aside I don't see it as another one bites the dust. The V6 can easily be put back in and no one would never know the difference.I hate it for the community as a whole but I also realize it just makes the value of my fleet go up a little everytime another bites the dust so...