Iron head testing (update on post #65)

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Ive looked countless times for flow numbers on irons but have only came up with people saying how great such and such heads look, and time slips. I want to post up numbers that I personally have tested, I will not post names, not bashing anyone, strictly data. Feel free to add what you have came up with if it is actual data, not what your car ran in the 1/4. This is strictly for FUN, and can be competitive for some!

One thing I did notice on all the testing was the heads all became turbulent around .450-.500 lift. Just an observation.

Below are numbers I tested off a superflow 300 bench, 69 degrees in the shop at the time, at sea level.

First up, stock 8445 heads, stock valves, absolutely NO work untouched heads. This is the intake
Flow conducted at 25" water at .050 lift increments.
.050 29
100 55
150 80
200 100
250 126
300 136
350 142
400 144
450 148
500 150
Around .500 lift the head dies out and gained nothing. Results may vary but that is what I got.

Next is a stock intake port with a back cut valve. The port actually performed poor with just a valve cut.

Stock intake port, back cut valve 25" water:
.050 24
100 52
150 81
200 102
250 122
300 136
350 142
400 144
450 145
500 146

Next up is my personal stock ported head. Very minimal work in the bowl and short side radius with a back cut valve. I do not remember what we cut the valve at, will post that info later. This was about 1hr of work. Keep in mind these flow numbers are at 25" water. Add roughly 6% if you want to compare to an industry flowed head.

Stock intake, minimal hand porting, back cut valve @25" water:
L %
.050. 29
100 58
150 88
200 112
250 138
300 152
350 154
400 156
450 159
500 160
Between .450-.500" lift head has not more to gain.

Next up is another example of a hand ported head. This was by a professional and looks pretty good. Stock intake valve with a valve job, hand ported, polished chamber, very minimal material taken from runners and valve boss. Looks to be mostly bowl work. These were tested at 28" of water by request as it was tested next to an industry supplied iron head.
.050 32
100 57.5
150 86
200 106
300 137
400 166
500 176

Thought I took a pic of intake runners. Will post a pic tonight.
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Next up is another professionally ported iron head. 1.775" intake valve, combustion chamber has been re shaped to unshroud the valves, tested at 28" water.

.050 27
100 57
150 91
200 118
250 148
300 170
350 182
400 182
450 184
500 185

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I would LOVE to see pics of an iron head that outflows the last head I posted and data. I'm chasing the dragon right now with this head porting and all the info I can get the better.

UPDATED 1/11/16

Did some more porting and testing today. Still working with a stock back cut intake valve, VERY minimal material work in the intake runner, just enough to remove the casting bumps.

Test done at 25" water, stock intake valve w/ back cut.

.050 30
.100 58
.150 81.5
.200 104
.250 124
.300 144
.350 160
.400 165
.450 169
.500 173

.500 183 @ 28" water! Thats good progress, i'm pretty happy about it.

I picked up 13 cfm today doing bowl work. Pretty interesting that most of this work is in the bowl. I also took a little off the chamber to unshroud the intake valve, I'll post pics next week if I finish the port.
 

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If anyone in the SoCal area has an aluminum head available please let me know. I would like to test it and see how it performs. M&A head, champion, TA anything. Long Beach area is where I'm at.
 
Like you asked without mentioning any names the last head looks comparable to the head that a lot of guys are running. I've seen #s posted in the 210 range on that head. Are you saying even after adding the 6% you don't think you'll see any off the shelf iron heads north of 200?
 
Add 6% to heads tested at 25" water to compare to those tested at 28". Last heads were tested at 28" and those are the numbers I came up with. Maybe there is an iron out there flowing over 200? Idk.
 
I do want to add something that was brought up to me. Results vary machine and operator so my testing could very well be off. This superflow 300 is also an older analog version, not that it should matter.
 
Like you asked without mentioning any names the last head looks comparable to the head that a lot of guys are running. I've seen #s posted in the 210 range on that head. Are you saying even after adding the 6% you don't think you'll see any off the shelf iron heads north of 200?
I have verified with a very well known Buick guy and he has seen irons flow 210-212. So as I mentioned it could very well be my testing. But I plan on continuing with the iron head research and keep testing the same.
 
Thanks for taking the time to post this. Good info. Could you tell us what size bore all these heads were flowed on?
 
Results vary machine and operator so my testing could very well be off.


I wouldn't think your very far off because the first test on the stock head is very close to what I've found published on stock heads. The back cut results are a surprise.
 
I wouldn't think your very far off because the first test on the stock head is very close to what I've found published on stock heads. The back cut results are a surprise.
Good to know! I couldn't find much on any iron head testing myself. The back cut on the valve did surprise me too, but came to life once I began doing a little port work. I actually have test results of my hand ported head with a stock valve. It gained significantly up too about .350" lift
 
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Jeremy, I have some flow number from a local shop who has done many Buick heads for us, and since they were flowed by same operator and machine, it is a good comparison between the port work and valve size.

The CFM numbers are for an intake port at .500" lift and stock valve vs. aftermarket 1.765" valve with additional port work:

Head No.1 - 153 CFM

Head No.2 - 195 CFM

A TA SI head with a 1.94" intake valve, cleaned up bowl and port on the same machine and operator again at .500" had 240 CFM and more at higher lift.

Same conditions and operator, the TA aluminum race ported versions have gone 280+ at .500" with a 1.94" valve.

It is all about air flow, my 3500# car with a 70mm turbo has run 9.97 at 16 psi boost!

In a couple weeks we will have some numbers on our max ported iron heads as compared to a Champion iron head.
 
Thanks for the post Nick. I'm assuming the head number 1 you posted was a stock port stock valve correct? And I look forward to your iron head numbers!
 
I have my M&As when can we get them on the bench ? Also my home ported heads
 
I have my M&As when can we get them on the bench ? Also my home ported heads
I just text a buddy about loaning me an M&A head lol. I've seen flow numbers on those before somewhere. But bring em' down on a Monday some time and we can test them both.

I was offered a set of those aluminum heads with rockers but I've heard too many stories of them cracking and don't want that hassle. Would be easier to port though that's for sure.
 
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