Anyone else had enough of the way cops are being treated these days

RobsIron

Silent but Violent
I searched for other vids and could only find where she did get reprimanded. She states he swung the club at her "right back there" making me think something happened earlier. Weird. She even states its on tape. I guess there is no tape.

Not a genius.

I think she is confused about more than just her sexuality..:eek:
 

4timesT

Active Member
I found a longer version....wish it was a bit longer so we could see the initial incident she's claiming occurred.



Here's what I see. She appears to be driving with a purpose and then pulls right up to the guy and even angles the dashboard camera towards him. If you think she just picked him out of a hat and has Xray vision and saw the club behind his leg....I would venture to say you're wrong.


Now here's something interesting from a source that is less than cop friendly..... http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...-falsified-charge-elderly-man-walking-street/

"After spending a night in jail, King County prosecutors switch the charge against him to unlawful use of a weapon, obviously not bothering to watch the video.

Wingate, represented by a public defender who also didn’t watch the video, was told to sign an agreement stating the case would be dropped in two years if he complied with certain stipulations.

Fortunately, a former politician learned of the case and got involved, and eventually persuade the judge to dismiss the case. But police never admitted wrongdoing, even after watching the video." Notice the FORMER POLITICIAN part. Maybe this is incident has blossomed into a political vendetta? Hmmmm

And another interesting thing from the same site....

"Whitlatch enjoys playing the victim having been one of 126 Seattle police officers last year who sued the Department of Justice, claiming the agency was infringing on their Constitutional rights by requiring them to be less violent towards citizens." Maybe she's being hung out to dry for some payback for the lawsuit? Hmmmm

And of course this incident is already being spun into a racial thing so that to me is the most suspicious part of the whole thing. After all, you know what some say...."Racism... An overused word with little real meaning in America anymore. A "card" tossed out by short-sighted, relatively undereducated left wing Democrats and black people in America to garner unnecessary attention, usually to get others off topic and to cause others to forget the lack of merit in any argument from the left... A nearly useless word anymore." ;)
 

fgordon

Waitin For The Majic
I have a good friend who is a cop. Another friend and I were on the highway and saw our policeman friend with a motorist pulled over. A friend commented "Look at -----, mean mugging that guy". (mean mugging = looking tough or threatening) I knew this guy for many years before he became a cop and since. Doesn't have a mean bone on his body. The next time I saw him I told him what we saw and the comment. I asked when we (civilians) became the guys who needed to be intimidated or threatened, was the driver being uncooperative? Is there a rule that says cops can't wave to their friends when on patrol? Of course he couldn't speak for all officers but I posed some questions to him:
-If you knew of a fellow officer who was too quick to use his weapon what would you do?
-If a fellow officer shot an unarmed person and then claimed he was armed' would you report it? Would you be able to continue as an officer if you did?

I know that the vast majority of policemen do and always will do there jobs faithfully. The problem is that as a civilian I never know if I'm dealing with an officer of that other group, be it 5%, 1% or less no one can deny that there are badge and gun toting officers who don't belong there. So long as a system exists where the people who work with these people continue to protect them (fellow officers, prosecutors, and civilian defenders) there will be a lack of trust between police and public.

We need the police, this society couldn't exist without them. We need the Police to police themselves before society decides they need to be policed. This looks about to happen in St Louis and it probably will not help the relations between the police and public.

Choosing sides won't fix this.
 
What would/could a civilian get charged with for falsifying "lying" on a police report?
What did this lying POS get charged with?
Oh yeah "I am NOT biased"
Whatever
 

4timesT

Active Member
I have a good friend who is a cop. Another friend and I were on the highway and saw our policeman friend with a motorist pulled over. A friend commented "Look at -----, mean mugging that guy". (mean mugging = looking tough or threatening) I knew this guy for many years before he became a cop and since. Doesn't have a mean bone on his body. The next time I saw him I told him what we saw and the comment. I asked when we (civilians) became the guys who needed to be intimidated or threatened, was the driver being uncooperative? Is there a rule that says cops can't wave to their friends when on patrol? Of course he couldn't speak for all officers but I posed some questions to him:
-If you knew of a fellow officer who was too quick to use his weapon what would you do?
-If a fellow officer shot an unarmed person and then claimed he was armed' would you report it? Would you be able to continue as an officer if you did?

I know that the vast majority of policemen do and always will do there jobs faithfully. The problem is that as a civilian I never know if I'm dealing with an officer of that other group, be it 5%, 1% or less no one can deny that there are badge and gun toting officers who don't belong there. So long as a system exists where the people who work with these people continue to protect them (fellow officers, prosecutors, and civilian defenders) there will be a lack of trust between police and public.

We need the police, this society couldn't exist without them. We need the Police to police themselves before society decides they need to be policed. This looks about to happen in St Louis and it probably will not help the relations between the police and public.

Choosing sides won't fix this.

It's not mean muggin, it's being serious while performing his job. If you were on the operating table, would you want your surgeon waving to his friends? I commend your friend for his serious demeanor, unfortunately many folks take this demeanor the wrong way.

I was dating a girl back in the day and I recommended she take the NYPD test. She in turn says to me, I'm too silly to be a cop. I respond, you know what a goof ball I am BUT when it comes to doing the job, you have to be serious. Well, she took my advice and has been a good, solid cop for the past 12.5 years.

If you're that worried about the possible, as you said, 1 in 20 (or less) bad cops you might run into, then maybe you have too many dealings with the police in your day to day? Even then, the chances your life will be put in danger, if you're an average Joe, are slim to none.

From what I'm seeing in the media, it sure doesn't appear as though anyone out there is sticking their necks out to protect bad cops. It appears more like they are doing their best to go after even good cops who are merely doing their jobs. ...like in St Louis.

So society can't police themselves and thus we need the police. Yet society thinks it has the knowledge and capability to police the police? How does that make sense?

The grand jury in the Ferguson case came to the conclusion that the cop did nothing wrong. Yet the man who heads the Justice Department of the United States feels the Ferguson Police Dept is in need of change. How does that make sense?

Maybe society needs to take a better look in the mirror and see that it is not the fairest of them all.
 

4timesT

Active Member
What would/could a civilian get charged with for falsifying "lying" on a police report?
What did this lying POS get charged with?
Oh yeah "I am NOT biased"
Whatever
People lie to the police when giving official written statements all the time....and nothing happens. When's the last time a girl who falsely cried rape was locked up? Hardly ever. You know why females who cried wolf don't get locked up, even though they just stigmatized some guy for no good reason....because supposedly that might deter them from reporting a real rape when it happens. :rolleyes:

You have proof she lied?

I think there's a lot more going on with this incident than meets the news media investigative eye.
 
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4timesT

Active Member

fgordon

Waitin For The Majic
It's not mean muggin, it's being serious while performing his job. If you were on the operating table, would you want your surgeon waving to his friends? I commend your friend for his serious demeanor, unfortunately many folks take this demeanor the wrong way.

I was dating a girl back in the day and I recommended she take the NYPD test. She in turn says to me, I'm too silly to be a cop. I respond, you know what a goof ball I am BUT when it comes to doing the job, you have to be serious. Well, she took my advice and has been a good, solid cop for the past 12.5 years.

If you're that worried about the possible, as you said, 1 in 20 (or less) bad cops you might run into, then maybe you have too many dealings with the police in your day to day? Even then, the chances your life will be put in danger, if you're an average Joe, are slim to none.

From what I'm seeing in the media, it sure doesn't appear as though anyone out there is sticking their necks out to protect bad cops. It appears more like they are doing their best to go after even good cops who are merely doing their jobs. ...like in St Louis.

So society can't police themselves and thus we need the police. Yet society thinks it has the knowledge and capability to police the police? How does that make sense?

The grand jury in the Ferguson case came to the conclusion that the cop did nothing wrong. Yet the man who heads the Justice Department of the United States feels the Ferguson Police Dept is in need of change. How does that make sense?

Maybe society needs to take a better look in the mirror and see that it is not the fairest of them all.

I'm not ready to gladly turn this country over to any organization who sits as judge and jury on its own actions. You see I'm old enough to remember when cops were our friends and they knew that we would gladly assist them in anything be it an investigation or even arresting a suspect. I also remember when people felt safe in police custody. I remember when the cop in his duty knew that he could depend on almost anyone to help if needed. Just recently watched a police security film where three cops felt they needed to shoot a 17 year old girl who threatened them with a knife. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-teen-shot-dead-police-entering-station-cops-article-1.2092519 She was shot at 5 times (one miss). Cops have tasers, night sticks, and hand-to-hand training but felt the need to kill this 17 year old. Something is wrong, I can't conceive of any justification for killing this child when three cops armed with all the tools of there trade where in the room. Reading the posts here indicates that some believe this is a Black/White issue. Its not, the 17 year old girl in the piece above was white and known to the police as being disturbed.
As for police "Mean Mugging" I see many films of stops where cops are polite and respectful of the driver, (I think most are). Intimidation can cause a fear response and lead to violence. There is plenty of time to get mean if the person is uncooperative, no point in starting out that way. I have been driving for over 50 years and have been stopped a few times. The officers were always polite (even the two who cited me). I have difficulty understanding why an officer would wish to intimidate the person being stopped.
There are plenty of retired police available to advise and participate in policing the police. You can't investigate yourself and pass judgment without raising questions. It would seem the police would welcome outside validation of their actions. What amazes me is that the same people who insist that the Government not infringe upon their rights rush to surrender those rights when the police are involved.
I have known many policemen, four of them I knew extremely well. Three were the type that we all would likely be proud to call friend be he cop or not. (No I have never been arrested or even been detained by the police)
 

4timesT

Active Member
I'm not ready to gladly turn this country over to any organization who sits as judge and jury on its own actions. You see I'm old enough to remember when cops were our friends and they knew that we would gladly assist them in anything be it an investigation or even arresting a suspect. I also remember when people felt safe in police custody. I remember when the cop in his duty knew that he could depend on almost anyone to help if needed. Just recently watched a police security film where three cops felt they needed to shoot a 17 year old girl who threatened them with a knife. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-teen-shot-dead-police-entering-station-cops-article-1.2092519 She was shot at 5 times (one miss). Cops have tasers, night sticks, and hand-to-hand training but felt the need to kill this 17 year old. Something is wrong, I can't conceive of any justification for killing this child when three cops armed with all the tools of there trade where in the room. Reading the posts here indicates that some believe this is a Black/White issue. Its not, the 17 year old girl in the piece above was white and known to the police as being disturbed.
As for police "Mean Mugging" I see many films of stops where cops are polite and respectful of the driver, (I think most are). Intimidation can cause a fear response and lead to violence. There is plenty of time to get mean if the person is uncooperative, no point in starting out that way. I have been driving for over 50 years and have been stopped a few times. The officers were always polite (even the two who cited me). I have difficulty understanding why an officer would wish to intimidate the person being stopped.
There are plenty of retired police available to advise and participate in policing the police. You can't investigate yourself and pass judgment without raising questions. It would seem the police would welcome outside validation of their actions. What amazes me is that the same people who insist that the Government not infringe upon their rights rush to surrender those rights when the police are involved.
I have known many policemen, four of them I knew extremely well. Three were the type that we all would likely be proud to call friend be he cop or not. (No I have never been arrested or even been detained by the police)

There was also a time when people showed respect to one another and especially to the police. During that time, if you were an asshole and flapped your lips at a cop, you ended up with a fat lip. It taught you to think before you speak....to anyone. My how times have changed.

Did you actually read the article? Have you ever heard of the term...suicide by cop? She planned out the scenario and she got what she went there looking for. Deranged people are some of the most dangerous people a cop deals with due to their unpredictability. She went there and asked for help, when the cops came to her aid, she pulled out a knife. Someone pulls out a knife on me, I pull out my gun....and nothing else.

You're the one who brought up mean mugging. I explained that it's not mean mugging, it's being serious. You can be serious and polite at the same time. Not a difficult concept.

Retired cops policing active cops. Ah yes....cause no one will complain about that and say the retired guys are just taking care of the active guys. Seriously?

You've never been arrested or detained, have gotten 2 tickets in your 50 years of driving and have personally known cops you called friends. And yet you seem to have a problem with policing in America. I'm speechless.....
 

groumoutis

Active Member
Some fail to realize that cops want to go home to their families too. If I was a cop and someone pulled a knife on me I am going to resort to the same thing the person with the knife has resorted to! It is called deadly force. The cop hasn't lost his mind and the lady obviously had so take no chances and make it home to the family! Shoot to survive.
 

fgordon

Waitin For The Majic
No one seems to care that this disturbed CHILD was known to the police. and that there were three cops, and that they had other low risk options other than killing her. You can continue to look the other way when cops push the envelope but remember that our history is replete with examples of society relinquishing power to groups without the proper checks and balances. It never ends well.

I'll never understand how you can insist that there is no policing problem when we see an officer approach a man for a seatbelt violation, demand his ID and shoot him several times while he is reaching for it. His dashcam video showed he was firing before he finished giving the first warning. (Which conflicts with his story, he claimed that he warned the man twice before firing) When about 10 cops are concluding a chase by using tasers and bean bags on the driver and a patrolman rolls up in his cruiser, rushes in and fires three shots from his service revolver at the driver. endangering everyone including the other officers. And yes he was chastised by what appears to be the senior officer on the scene but I'm willing to bet that the officers who worked with this guy knew that he was out of control.

We are talking about police killing people when it is NOT NECESSARY. We're not talking about what's legal. If legality were the only standard why don't we eliminate the trials and punishment phase and just have the police decide who lives and dies. Remember the dead ones are ALL bad guys. Most of you here seem to believe that anyone who says anything bad about a cop must be against all cops or most cops. Well I'm against all bad cops. and against a system that allows them to continue to carry a badge and gun..

As for going home to their families, we all have jobs, some dangerous. I invite you to go on the web and search the 10 most dangerous occupations. Obviously being a cop is not as dangerous as it seems.
 

Boostian

Member
No one seems to care that this disturbed CHILD was known to the police. and that there were three cops, and that they had other low risk options other than killing her. You can continue to look the other way when cops push the envelope but remember that our history is replete with examples of society relinquishing power to groups without the proper checks and balances. It never ends well.

I'll never understand how you can insist that there is no policing problem when we see an officer approach a man for a seatbelt violation, demand his ID and shoot him several times while he is reaching for it. His dashcam video showed he was firing before he finished giving the first warning. (Which conflicts with his story, he claimed that he warned the man twice before firing) When about 10 cops are concluding a chase by using tasers and bean bags on the driver and a patrolman rolls up in his cruiser, rushes in and fires three shots from his service revolver at the driver. endangering everyone including the other officers. And yes he was chastised by what appears to be the senior officer on the scene but I'm willing to bet that the officers who worked with this guy knew that he was out of control.

We are talking about police killing people when it is NOT NECESSARY. We're not talking about what's legal. If legality were the only standard why don't we eliminate the trials and punishment phase and just have the police decide who lives and dies. Remember the dead ones are ALL bad guys. Most of you here seem to believe that anyone who says anything bad about a cop must be against all cops or most cops. Well I'm against all bad cops. and against a system that allows them to continue to carry a badge and gun..

As for going home to their families, we all have jobs, some dangerous. I invite you to go on the web and search the 10 most dangerous occupations. Obviously being a cop is not as dangerous as it seems.

You seem to know very little about what you speak of. Most responses on here, supporting either side, are well put. Both sides have points. Should a man be shot for reaching to get his ID? No way. Should a woman be shot post-pursuit if the threat has stopped? No. Should a known female with mental health issues be shot after brandishing a knife in an aggressive manner? Absolutely. She should. Police do not respond to a certain level of force with LESS force. They respond with equal to or greater than. Does that mean someone irate on a car stop gets full on deadly force? No. It means when you have a weapon that can kill quickly (yes anything is a weapon but a knife is more so than, say, a pencil), you are going to be shot. It's a suicide by cop scenario. This shouldn't even be discussed here.

And being a cop is a dangerous job. As much as a crab fisherman? No. Or a soldier overseas? No. But enough that every cop I know states that it crosses their mind when they leave for work they may not come home, and have come to grips with that. Do you do that? Probably not. Is it a battle zone for an officer? No. But they take steps to minimize the risk of losing their lives. Steps like, first and foremost, tactics. Wearing their vests. Wearing their seatbelt (hopefully). Oh, and not trying to use a taser on someone with a knife.

I agree that there are bad cops. And there are bad teachers who cheat standardized tests or give sub-par lectures. There are firefighters who start fires. There are execs who commit insider trading. There are soldiers who murder innocents. There are UPS drivers who throw fragile packages. There are members on this very board who will take a product or money from another member and not complete a "handshake" transaction.

There's bad people in all walks of life. Some just get more press than others.
 

fgordon

Waitin For The Majic
I have a good deal of experience with the decision to use lethal force. I spent 52 months in combat during my career in the Army and have since spent time in combat zones as an unarmed civilian. You seem to accept that anyone who wants to die by cop is entitled to be accommodated regardless of their mental condition. I don't. Cops are here to protect the public, that includes those who are physically or mentally unprepared to protect themselves. If they have a knife the officer is obliged to use some judgment, or do you advocate automatically shooting anyone with a gun or knife be he (or she) 9 or 90. (we saw how that worked out in Cleveland)
The military taught me that along with authority comes responsibility. Power is authority and police are responsible to use judgment in the use of that power. The vast majority do but that few who do not need to be removed from the force and the police themselves must be in the front line in the effort to rid themselves of these people. They need to realize that these people are a stain on the uniform that they are so proud of.
Bad teachers aren't charged with carrying a gun and protecting us. If you can't see that then we waste our time discussing this.
 
Most of you here seem to believe that anyone who says anything bad about a cop must be against all cops or most cops. Well I'm against all bad cops.
Well that is their famous line "hater" in order to try and discredit anyone who simply doesn't agree with them. Even if the only thing you ask for is actual blind justice. Or even just a less bias system.
The above video is a good example. We should actually congratulate her for such determination and blatantly lying and getting away with it. "Great Job partner you showed that old guy who is in charge (all while pounding my chest and high-fiveing)"
 

groumoutis

Active Member
I work in one of the worlds deadliest jobs and I wouldn't want to deal with the shit the cops have to deal with. I am highly paid for the dangers I deal with, cops are not!

The shooter from Sandy Hook was mentally disturbed. So cops shouldn't shoot someone like him if he presents a danger?
 

fgordon

Waitin For The Majic
Maybe you didn't read my post. I'll summarize, cops should use judgment, not shoot anyone carrying a knife or gun. That's how a 12 year old was killed in Cleveland.
 

EVIL

BANNED FOREVER
If someone carrying a knife or a gun is approaching me in a not so pleasant manner, I'm lighting him/her up fast.

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