3.8 Stock bottom end 500 hp????

Nigel

Well-Known Member
Could not edit, I have to add by the time I trap on 255/60s I am at 120mph and 5350 to 5400 rpm.
 

TTA308

Well-Known Member
P.S. anybody have or used one of Arts convertors lately?
TIMINATOR
I have the same 16930 as Scooby, works pretty good on the street with a 6466, no idea how it would perform at the track..
I am about to go back to a LU with one of Daves convertors though...
 

Chuck Leeper

Toxic old bastard
Staff member
The name "Art Carr" can refer to two different products.
For the older folks, an Art Carr was just that. Made by Art.
Later versions were made by someone that acquired his business.
Texas comes to mind. AIRC, it was a nasty deal for Art.
This is in a general description, as it was many yrs ago that this was discussed.
I've not used Art's stuff for many yrs. I used his Torq flite in my Hemi Mope.
Last I talked with Art, I was asking about his "typewriter drive" T'flite shifter.
He made only a few and had no more parts. Still have the magazine it was in.
Bottom line: An AC converter may not be the gennie article.
 

TexasT

Texas, Where are you from
The name "Art Carr" can refer to two different products.
For the older folks, an Art Carr was just that.
Bottom line: An AC converter may not be the gennie article.
Plenty of better choices for a converter than 30yr old tech of the art carr unit. Ptc and Dave H are two at the top of my list.
 

SCOOBY DOO

I'M NOT A MONSTER, I'M JUST AHEAD OF THE CURVE!!!
Plenty of better choices for a converter than 30yr old tech of the art carr unit. Ptc and Dave H are two at the top of my list.
Try and find someone on here that did more than I did with Arts convertor and stock junk. Check the sigs on here. My MPH was higher than most. Arts convertor coupled better than theirs.
 

TIMINATOR

Active Member
I raced with Art back in the day and we still have memories. California Performance Transmissions in Huntington Beach is where is. He owns it. If he is not busy delegating and ordering, he will take your call too! Just ask nice. Usually he is tied up, but always calls me back. Like most of is old guys, we can be crusty and testy......
Point of note: some converter companies rate their stall in many different ways.
Try and find someone on here that did more than I did with Arts convertor and stock junk. Check the sigs on here. My MPH was higher than most. Arts convertor coupled better than theirs.
Ways of measuring stall vary. Widely! Some companies rate theirs behind a 4.3 v-6 N/A chevy. That's to isolate stall from boost. A smaller turbo, higher compression engine will build more boost and therefore more stall. That may not be relevant to your combo. Today, time permitting, is brain picking day. How does your company rate the stall of your turbo convertors? No answer will equal no purchase. Simple question.
Art had a very complete build sheet, with actual compression, quench, head flow chart, cam, exhaust, t-body size, etc.
If he rates his at 0 boost, or x pounds, it makes a difference to what somebody else has. I get answers, I will post.
 

TexasT

Texas, Where are you from
Try and find someone on here that did more than I did with Arts convertor and stock junk. Check the sigs on here. My MPH was higher than most. Arts convertor coupled better than theirs.
You only raced it. Driving it on a drag n drive event is much different than weekend racing and a few trips out for a cruise and a burger.

I had one of his converters(same one you had) in my daily back in the late eighties and it would spool in a hurry. Great on the street but I wouldn't say it was a great hwy converter .
 

ITSAV6

It's my Granny's car!
I bought my car stock. Man I bought it from had a modded cat with stock cam ported heads. Big turbo. I literally have a slower 60ft but et the same and I have more mph
 
The name "Art Carr" can refer to two different products.
For the older folks, an Art Carr was just that. Made by Art.
Later versions were made by someone that acquired his business.
Texas comes to mind. AIRC, it was a nasty deal for Art.
This is in a general description, as it was many yrs ago that this was discussed.
I've not used Art's stuff for many yrs. I used his Torq flite in my Hemi Mope.
Last I talked with Art, I was asking about his "typewriter drive" T'flite shifter.
He made only a few and had no more parts. Still have the magazine it was in.
Bottom line: An AC converter may not be the gennie article.
The one I have is from Art I got it from California Performance Transmission in 2012.
 

Mr.Spool

Well-Known Member
Try and find someone on here that did more than I did with Arts convertor and stock junk. Check the sigs on here. My MPH was higher than most. Arts convertor coupled better than theirs.
Right
See I understand exactly what your saying.
But how fast would you have gone on the newer teck?
That's really what it's about.
There are going to be fast guys and the rest of guys.
The fast guys will go faster with the better stuff.
That's just the nature.
 

SCOOBY DOO

I'M NOT A MONSTER, I'M JUST AHEAD OF THE CURVE!!!
You only raced it. Driving it on a drag n drive event is much different than weekend racing and a few trips out for a cruise and a burger.

I had one of his converters(same one you had) in my daily back in the late eighties and it would spool in a hurry. Great on the street but I wouldn't say it was a great hwy converter .
Wrong. I drove it on the street plenty before I stritctly raced it. It was 'tight' on Erics default settings and drove like a stocker. Tuning ability like I have alters the way a convertor reacts.
 

SCOOBY DOO

I'M NOT A MONSTER, I'M JUST AHEAD OF THE CURVE!!!
Right
See I understand exactly what your saying.
But how fast would you have gone on the newer teck?
That's really what it's about.
There are going to be fast guys and the rest of guys.
The fast guys will go faster with the better stuff.
That's just the nature.
Very true. With a 30 percent exchange rate up here and crazy shipping rates the money wasn't there to try the new stuff out. I made do with nothing. Arts convertor ran me 200 bucks from my engine builder up here. Say what you want but my numbers don't lie...and I did it every weekend...not just a one off shot.
 

Mr.Spool

Well-Known Member
Very true. With a 30 percent exchange rate up here and crazy shipping rates the money wasn't there to try the new stuff out. I made do with nothing. Arts convertor ran me 200 bucks from my engine builder up here. Say what you want but my numbers don't lie...and I did it every weekend...not just a one off shot.
We ran ac with stalls 3500+ back in the day on stock stuff
It ran great and we drove on the street all the time.
The stators and fin angles now are better allowing the cars to spool faster and couple down harder.
With the newer stuff its logical we would have been faster by how much difficult to say.
 
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