New Record THS at Reynolds, GA Nov 6, 2010

Kevin,

Why should the Racers have to contact them behind closed doors? Should'nt them as RRA's of this class be openly posting up their thoughts of the class so ALL racers and possible future entrants (That would make car count better) can see whats happening ?

This "I'm thinking of changing rules, but you have to come to me to find out what" thing is pretty off putting if you ask me and not fair to the racers..

Its done off the internet BC everytime rules have been discussed, people who are not racing and have no intention of racing the class throw out their ideas in. It then turns into a mess.
 
That's exactly what the fast guy's did!!!! and now that's what is forcing the rule change... :rolleyes:

There hasn't been an unattainable number yet. We have seen 9.9s up here and a couple of 9.8s at a fast track. Goal is to prevent much faster than that. No one fears the times run so far.
 
Its done off the internet BC everytime rules have been discussed, people who are not racing and have no intention of racing the class throw out their ideas in. It then turns into a mess.
Well look at the mess it's in now doing it off the internet!! The behind closed doors will never look right no matter what you do, it will always look like something is being hidden and that is Exactly what has happened here...

Your class, Your rules, Your approch to handling them....Hope it lasts!
 
There hasn't been an unattainable number yet. We have seen 9.9s up here and a couple of 9.8s at a fast track. Goal is to prevent much faster than that. No one fears the times run so far.
Really? then why the change?
 
To answer both questions :

To stop a car or cars from going too fast like I've said numerous times. Its great with the spread there was in bg. First race someone goes 9.5....then the rules are enforced people will be crying like little girls That a racer was being targeted. If you prevent that from happening it will stop all the internet whining. A 9.5 car is going to do nothing good for the class but hurt turn out.
 
Well look at the mess it's in now doing it off the internet!! The behind closed doors will never look right no matter what you do, it will always look like something is being hidden and that is Exactly what has happened here...

Your class, Your rules, Your approch to handling them....Hope it lasts!

Time will tell. Until then they will handle it this way. Its been successful so far. Tsm lasted for awhile but is on life support now...and those rules were openingly voted on. So, That tells me that way may not be the best. Class got smaller and smaller every year as the cars got faster and faster. You must study history to plan for the future. It is what it is. Let them decide on the rules ...if someone doesn't like it because they want to run faster....they can run tsm.
 
I have seen on this and other boards that constantly changing the rules of any racing class is a sure fire way to kill the class. I find it funny that a year ago all the THS guys were screaming bloody murder that this WOULD NOT be a nine second class. There were a few guys who just said ok, wait and watch, we will be in the nines by the end of the year. Guess what, they are.

You can come up with whatever set of changes you want and guess what, somebody is going to have more money, more help, more know how, and get it done again. Somebody is always going to be at an advantage no matter what rule changes you put in place. You don't like it, go back to street racing and get out of heads up point series racing.

IMHO, changing the rules all the time is what will kill the car count. You guys set up the rules, and I must remind you that according to all of you then with all of your years of experience racing different classes and knowing our cars like the back of your hands this was not going to be a nine sec class, you determined the venues, you established the entire system and now that somebody has come along and blown your plans to hell you want to change the rules. Just doesn't seem like good form at all. How about this....STEP UP and play by the rules you made. If you can't get it done, just say hey man I can't get it done. There is always bracket/index racing.

BTW, I should also remind you that while I have not raced ths and do not plan to, I was one of the first and largest supporters of the class. I thought it was a good thing then, and still do, just leave the rules alone.
 
Heads up, run what ya brung (no whiner zone) with the small set of rules is what I like about the class. I'm setting my car up with a goal of 110mph in the 1/8th. If there are cars faster than me, cool, as long as I get in a fun heads up race. Keep the rules the same.

To increase the car count- would creating a double elimination ladder so the first round losing cars can get more than one elimination run in?
 
I have seen on this and other boards that constantly changing the rules of any racing class is a sure fire way to kill the class. I find it funny that a year ago all the THS guys were screaming bloody murder that this WOULD NOT be a nine second class. There were a few guys who just said ok, wait and watch, we will be in the nines by the end of the year. Guess what, they are.

You can come up with whatever set of changes you want and guess what, somebody is going to have more money, more help, more know how, and get it done again. Somebody is always going to be at an advantage no matter what rule changes you put in place. You don't like it, go back to street racing and get out of heads up point series racing.

IMHO, changing the rules all the time is what will kill the car count. You guys set up the rules, and I must remind you that according to all of you then with all of your years of experience racing different classes and knowing our cars like the back of your hands this was not going to be a nine sec class, you determined the venues, you established the entire system and now that somebody has come along and blown your plans to hell you want to change the rules. Just doesn't seem like good form at all. How about this....STEP UP and play by the rules you made. If you can't get it done, just say hey man I can't get it done. There is always bracket/index racing.

BTW, I should also remind you that while I have not raced ths and do not plan to, I was one of the first and largest supporters of the class. I thought it was a good thing then, and still do, just leave the rules alone.

Geez are you kidding me...I'll say it again, it's not like the whole class is changing, for any race class to be successful it's only wise to take a look at the rules and see if there's anything that can be improved upon.

And who the hell said it wasn't possible to go 9's, everything I read/heard was if you can do it, come do it at a race...And it happened, sweet, no one is saying that's a bad thing but the fact is if the class goes too far the normal guy (that the class was created for) will not want to come race.

Obviously there will always be someone faster, the idea is that they aren't so fast no one feels they can even compete...My car is middle of the pack and I'm very proud of what I have accomplished on a limited budget, but no one wants to spend money taking their car to a race when they are so outgunned that they don't have a snowballs chance.
 
Obviously there will always be someone faster, the idea is that they aren't so fast no one feels they can even compete...My car is middle of the pack and I'm very proud of what I have accomplished on a limited budget, but no one wants to spend money taking their car to a race when they are so outgunned that they don't have a snowballs chance.




I agree
 
Obviously there will always be someone faster, the idea is that they aren't so fast no one feels they can even compete...My car is middle of the pack and I'm very proud of what I have accomplished on a limited budget, but no one wants to spend money taking their car to a race when they are so outgunned that they don't have a snowballs chance.

This is the underlying issue.

From the beginning of TSM until about 2006 I was out gunned. I kept at it. I kept going to the events. I kept supporting the races. (all of them) I participated. I kept working. I kept saving. I kept improving.

It takes dedication and hard work. If you change the rules people will just continue to push the envelope. If you leave the rules the same and people stay dedicated to the class you will see the field tighten up ET wise. Look at TSM now, you have so many cars running mid to low nines when a few years ago there were just two or three doing it and the #1 qualifier wasn't always the winner. Just like in THS at BG..
 
This is the underlying issue.

From the beginning of TSM until about 2006 I was out gunned. I kept at it. I kept going to the events. I kept supporting the races. (all of them) I participated. I kept working. I kept saving. I kept improving.

It takes dedication and hard work. If you change the rules people will just continue to push the envelope. If you leave the rules the same and people stay dedicated to the class you will see the field tighten up ET wise. Look at TSM now, you have so many cars running mid to low nines when a few years ago there were just two or three doing it and the #1 qualifier wasn't always the winner. Just like in THS at BG..
You sir have just hit the nail on the head and it couldn't have been said better!!

All this talk about car count seems like it's just an excuse to be able to change the rules when Knowbody really knows for certian even if the car count would be hurt. At this point it's all assumptions without giving the class a damn chance to see how things turn out....


So, what was the official THS car count from BG?
 
You sir have just hit the nail on the head and it couldn't have been said better!!

All this talk about car count seems like it's just an excuse to be able to change the rules when Knowbody really knows for certian even if the car count would be hurt. At this point it's all assumptions without giving the class a damn chance to see how things turn out....


So, what was the official THS car count from BG?

OMG, we don't even know if anything is even changing!!! Why is this such a big deal when NOTHING has happened and for all we know nothing may ever happen. As I said previously there is nothing wrong with taking a look at the rules at the end of the season to see if there is room to improve. Anybody that thinks doing the same thing year after year will keep producing the same results (car count, competitiveness) forever definitely needs to look at past classes and see that times change and if a class can't change with them it dies.

No class can change drastically and live either, it's about small changes over years to keep it working. So my point again is there is nothing wrong with looking over the rules at the end of a season, this does not mean that anything necessarily has to change.

As I said in the other thread, CALM DOWN PEOPLE.
 
OMG, we don't even know if anything is even changing!!! Why is this such a big deal when NOTHING has happened and for all we know nothing may ever happen. As I said previously there is nothing wrong with taking a look at the rules at the end of the season to see if there is room to improve. Anybody that thinks doing the same thing year after year will keep producing the same results (car count, competitiveness) forever definitely needs to look at past classes and see that times change and if a class can't change with them it dies.

No class can change drastically and live either, it's about small changes over years to keep it working. So my point again is there is nothing wrong with looking over the rules at the end of a season, this does not mean that anything necessarily has to change.

As I said in the other thread, CALM DOWN PEOPLE.
Well Several people (racers) have asked a simple question to Kip & Ed to chime in to set the rumors straight and NOTHING has been done about that either!!
Everyone BUT Kip & Ed have chimed in with what they believe and still Nothing from the two in charge of the class...So without them setting things straight I guess this sort of thing will happen.... Do something about it instead of sitting back and watching what everyone is saying.......
 
Since I'm the one paying out the money at Reynold's, if the racers that attended want to leave things alone, I have no problem doing that for the Reynold's race which happens to be the first race of the season next year. It's up to you guys.
 
Because I have actually picked up the phone and have talked to Kip and ed about the rules. Making sure what I'm doing next year is legal. They don't mind for people who are going to race the class to give their 2 cents.

Ok...Ok...This is the issue I have and I had it when the class began. You just admitted that you have inside information that was not posted for all racers. You are now making your car legal for rules of 2011 in which no one on here has seen the rules for 2011. That is both wrong, unfair, and what makes others so dang mad. I made comments on the other thread to calm the seas and allow an opportunity to explain... even if there was nothing to explain.

So what i have learned is that people who are close to the people making the rules are working on their cars right now for next year while everyone else is waiting.

I have tried my best to calm people down and give the benefit of the doubt, but what you are saying is that you know something that is not public.

I hope that I misunderstood that post. Maybe your were saying that you are still building your car to the 2010 rules... but that is not what i got out of it.
 
Yeah but even if they make everyone get 3 inch air filters (or whatever) that is stupid because I just saw a THS car runs 9 seconds TONIGHT with 3 inch air.So then I would remove my intake tube that was a pain in a$$ to weld and special filter that probably doesnt even make my car fast (Ive never been Nines) and then buy newer filters and such that dont look as nice.
End result: I was forced to spend money and i will still eventually be in the nines if other guys are doing it with small filters.

I can see everyones points and most of you seem to have valid ones. We cant all be happy or pleased with changes but guess what???We were all happy before everyone started talking about change. So WHY CHANGE anything? We just got a high car count why screw it up. I think if there is ever has to be change we should wait one more year and have more data and see how it goes.
I like to change things when they dont work, not when they do but thats just me.
Obama likes to change stuff, lets ask his opinion. I am sure he could help socialize all the buicks classes if thats the goal.

Now that sounds like I am being targeted for having ram air... which is stupid...I mean for crying out loud... why touch ram air...?????? I mean the class is able to run 10.5 tires... same as tsm... DOT tires not over 275/60 makes more sense than that stupid crap... can someone make DOT tires run a number... yes... but its trickier and brings the mid ten second guys back in the mix..... and tires are a consumable item... no new money... dang it...I said I wasnt going to make suggestions...... but i think it is stupid to have air condition/ 200r4 and allow notching frame and running 10.5 slicks.... IMO.. Piss on it... and all the insider information...
 
I guess you missed the point. No cop-outs...trying to help out car count. We would hate to have a ths class canceled at a race due to not enough cars showing up. A mid ten guy is going to lose interest in a class when there are cars a second faster. Trying to find a solution to restrict air flow for a car to make mid 9 sec power would be great while still allowing 67 turbos so no one has to buy a new turbo is what is in the works.

NEWS FLASH.... I raced TSM at the events I attended with my quickest time being a 10.32 in the 1/4 mile for two years prior to this year. I raced it in BG, Reynolds, and NC.........I was way slower... but i was there racing.. b/c i like racing....and beleive it or not... i have gotten paid an event for racing TSM...
 
Ok...Ok...This is the issue I have and I had it when the class began. You just admitted that you have inside information that was not posted for all racers. You are now making your car legal for rules of 2011 in which no one on here has seen the rules for 2011. That is both wrong, unfair, and what makes others so dang mad. I made comments on the other thread to calm the seas and allow an opportunity to explain... even if there was nothing to explain.

So what i have learned is that people who are close to the people making the rules are working on their cars right now for next year while everyone else is waiting.

I have tried my best to calm people down and give the benefit of the doubt, but what you are saying is that you know something that is not public.

I hope that I misunderstood that post. Maybe your were saying that you are still building your car to the 2010 rules... but that is not what i got out of it.

I don't want to speak for Kevin or anything, but I can tell you I have talked to no one that got "inside info"...Conversations about ideas, maybe but since no decisions have been made one way or the other how can that be inside info??

In one of your other posts you mention a rule idea and then say you weren't going to make any suggestions...Why not, I mean suggestions never hurt anyone, ideas are a good thing as long as you're not offended if people don't agree.

If you have ideas I'd be willing to bet BIG both Ed and Kip will listen and consider them.

As to the air filter thing how the hell can you think that would be aimed at you?? I can promise you that you wouldn't be the only person that would have to change air filters "if" this was made a rule...As a matter of fact KIP'S car has a 4" air filter, along with MANY other cars...So if slicks get outlawed as in your idea should I think that's aimed that at me??
 
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