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Pricing seems fairly reasonable, assuming it works as advertised: V6 Aluminum Factory or after market (1 piece) $65.00 Joe

Uh Oh- man, and it was a long message too. :( I will send you a reader's digest version... :) Joe OK, check your pm. :)

Per Bruce and everything I have read on various boards and web sites and with some personal experience and fuzzy calculations, I believe propane reduces detonation primarily by creating a more homogenous a/f mix reducing hots spots and resultant detonation, secondly by SLIGHTLY increasing...

So how much material COULD be machined away to create some room for a spacer? In theory the phenolic spacer could probably be as thin as 3/32" or 1/8" and still offer benefits. And remember, you are eliminating/replacing a gasket that I presume is around 1/16th", maybe as much as 1/8th", I...

I have addressed heat underhood with a lot of venting, trim removal, etc. Per my logger intake is barely over ambient as long as the car is moving 25+, but you GN guys have a different setup, so YMMV. :D Pre turbo injection scares me :( unless you have very high pressure, a small orifice and...

6SENSE I think your benefits on hot air would be greatest if alky/h2o is used, because otherwise the heat post compressor would equal or exceed the block temperature, nullifying any theoretical improvements of the insulating qualities of phenolics, right? thanks Joe

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81313 http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36589&highlight=phenolic and this is from a thread that is MUCH too long to read through: "However, another possibility is to reduce the heat conduction from the hot...

You may wish to consider a phenolic spacer if you do the TB coolant blockoff. I am considering this mod. Joe

Sick GN Check your pm for detailed info. Joe

"its in a clear plastic bottle, contains toluene, its in small print on the back, its the main ingredient. naturally the individual component ingredients are listed too, but they are all part of it.... " The toluene I buy is in metal containers- i thought toluene and plastic containers did...

How about adjusting the Hobbs to activate at higher boost, where fuel needs are greater and airflow is higher, so you can minimize bogging but still run more propane to address high rpm needs? Joe

I believe propane is a more cost effective way to reduce detonation than having to run race gas every time I want to run over 17-18 psi. I plan on going to alky and/or water injection too, eventually, to address my heat soaked IC problem. However, I have found that a good combo is 25% 100 LL...

Man- I need to start going to the Wal-Marts... Joe

:eek: A sales person must have marked it wrong. I have never found toluene for less than 5 a gallon. Joe

Regarding the above post, I assume it was a "j/k" type of post. If not, I will state that EclipseTurbo is a respected member of dsmtalk, and that most of the members over there have a great deal of respect for GN's, GNX's, T-Types and their owners. From the very positive feedback...

Glad it worked. :) Now its time to enjoy that added boost! Joe

Propane ignites at between 900-1020*F, which is far cooler than EGT's. The question is, does the red hot Turbine Housing approach 900*? Not sure, Bruce do you know? Propane has a flammability range of between 2.5% and 9.5%. I can see such a % occuring underhood with a hose pop off.... Joe

"I assume the small bottle supplied with the kit is to keep things safer in the event of a rear collision vs. a standard "gas grille" cylinder? Does anyone know whether there are any internal differences between the two bottles?" I did a lot of research on cylinders, and found no differences...

I agree theoretically that is a concern. I run my hose clamps very tight, and I don't boost over 22 psi. If I ran 25+ and had hose clamp problems, I would be worried. BTW, the air in the intake tract seems to move very quickly per my experience with quick affect of propane injected preturbo...

I suspect your propane needs are much greater than my little 2.0 since you have almost twice the displacement. Thus, higher pressure is required to deliver the necessary propane quantity. I guess. What else could it be? Joe