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Old June 28th, 2008, 03:51 PM
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Forced Induction's FI91X report!
Can't wait for the new power adder to come in. You all know me. It's hard for me to keep anything to myself. Once I start installing it, I'll post some pics and reports on the mondo upgrade.
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Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Old June 28th, 2008, 03:56 PM
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Except your T400 mod
Yep. Except some of my 400 mods. Sorry. Have to draw the line somewhere.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Old July 14th, 2008, 08:46 PM
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The package has arrived! Holy moly! I'll get some pics posted soon. Very nice Jose.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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The package has arrived! Holy moly! I'll get some pics posted soon. Very nice Jose.
Cool...finally got it.....I forgot how freaking long it takes to get something from one side of the country to the other on UPS ground.
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Do you need me to send you my camera?? LOL!

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Old July 15th, 2008, 02:51 AM
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Maybe he is gonna make this his new secret .
LOL

It was busy at work today. I'll get the pictures up tomorrow. Promise. Actually, it looks just like the FI98X Scott posted recently. Advancement of fuel delivery? The inducer diameter on the compressor wheel is just a little smaller.

It is a monster. It's going to take two people to hang this sucker.

The nozzle area of the turbine housing is exactly what I was hoping for.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Yes its very similar to a GT47/GT55 unit. Just a tad longer....about 1/2".
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:08 AM
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We'll make her fit.

For those using Performance Trends Engine Analyzer Pro v3.5, the turbine housing nozzle area for the 1.1 a/r gives a turbine nozzle diameter of 2.58". I was looking for 2.60". Shweeet!
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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For those using Performance Trends Engine Analyzer Pro v3.5, the turbine housing nozzle area for the 1.1 a/r gives a turbine nozzle diameter of 2.58". I was looking for 2.60". Shweeet!

, it will meet your needs, I can assure you that. That same turbo made 1481rwhp on a 2Jz Supra on boost ONLY..... So a GN should be able to crack 600rwhp.... ...lol
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600hp? Don's gonna need that much n20 just to spool it

Is it running yet ??
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Old July 16th, 2008, 03:26 AM
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Nooo. It's not running yet.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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600hp? Don's gonna need that much n20 just to spool it

Is it running yet ??

In all reality the unit spools very fast. The 94mm version of that turbo made t40rwhp more on a 4.8L inline 6 then a T101mm and spooled 1100rpms sooner. The unit has a low drag bearing system so it spins quite freely for being a larger unit.
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In all reality the unit spools very fast. The 94mm version of that turbo made t40rwhp more on a 4.8L inline 6 then a T101mm and spooled 1100rpms sooner. The unit has a low drag bearing system so it spins quite freely for being a larger unit.
How much more RWHP?
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How much more RWHP?
Just some quick #'s so far: FI-91X on a 2JZ has done 1481rwhp. FI-94X on a built 1FZ which is a 4.5 but built to a (4.8) has done 1592rwhp so far. It could go more....but out of fuel and they are having a hard time keeping the head on the block. The 1FZ head casting is VERY long and thin, and tends to flex.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM
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Correction: After studying the turbo I found that the a/r number that's cast into the turbine housing is 1.15.

I've been real busy readjusting my fuel map after switching to a larger fuel pump. I want to get that all squared away before I start flogging on the turbo install.

FI91X weight: 57.5 lbs. My tripod brace may start flexing with this one.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Old July 17th, 2008, 11:25 AM
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Correction: After studying the turbo I found that the a/r number that's cast into the turbine housing is 1.15.

I've been real busy readjusting my fuel map after switching to a larger fuel pump. I want to get that all squared away before I start flogging on the turbo install.

FI91X weight: 57.5 lbs. My tripod brace may start flexing with this one.
That should nail you down to 2.60 or so, or about what you had calculated. . If you can keep her between the walls....no real reason 7's shouldn't be done...
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:04 PM
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That should nail you down to 2.60 or so, or about what you had calculated. . If you can keep her between the walls....no real reason 7's shouldn't be done...
Yep. That's what it calculated out at using my crude measuring. 2.58. Perfect.

I'm thinking that with my present heads being the limiting factor, and if I can get enough traction from the new tires, I going to throw an educated guess out there and say 8.20s to 8.30s. If I could max out my chassis cert (8.50), that would make me proud.

Now if I had stage II heads, I'm with you JZ. 7s would be a breeze. You never know though. This engine has always surprised me in the past. Plus, there's always the option of spraying the whole run. Egads!
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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Just skip the 8's and go 7's. My thoughts exactly! The question is, at what point will the IC become a restriction?

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Just skip the 8's and go 7's. My thoughts exactly! The question is, at what point will the IC become a restriction?

scott wile
The intercooler with the original plate and bar setup was good for 1500 cfm according to Spearco. It's got an extruded core now. Don't really know what the cfm max is on it. I need to look into that. Very good point Scott.
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Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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The intercooler with the original plate and bar setup was good for 1500 cfm according to Spearco. It's got an extruded core now. Don't really know what the cfm max is on it. I need to look into that. Very good point Scott.
To match the comp wheel output you will need to be somewhere in the 2300-2400cfm range.
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To match the comp wheel output you will need to be somewhere in the 2300-2400cfm range.
thick core, new gen fin n bar design, 10" in/out you'll be fine lol.
2400cfm holy mother of cfm thats a lot of air. thinking of that much air made me wonder how fast that turbo could heat or cool a house i don't know why.

can't wait for some pics don, good luck on the install! my 66 feels incredibly small now. later don
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it was blue like I remembered.

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thick core, new gen fin n bar design, 10" in/out you'll be fine lol.
2400cfm holy mother of cfm thats a lot of air. thinking of that much air made me wonder how fast that turbo could heat or cool a house i don't know why.

can't wait for some pics don, good luck on the install! my 66 feels incredibly small now. later don
*hey scott you ever see that old video of the other toyota with a gn motor it @ LACR i saw it somewere on youtube recently.
it was blue like I remembered.

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LOL, the smaller T4 FI-BW's are not so intimidating.
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To match the comp wheel output you will need to be somewhere in the 2300-2400cfm range.
To put 2400cfm into perspective, I've heard the typical housewife or girlfriend expels somewhere close to that volume of air when upset or angry once they find out their husband or boyfriend just purchased a new 91mm turbo

Mark - Send me that link. I'd like to see it!

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Old July 18th, 2008, 04:47 AM
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The intercooler with the original plate and bar setup was good for 1500 cfm according to Spearco. It's got an extruded core now. Don't really know what the cfm max is on it. I need to look into that. Very good point Scott.
Ooops. The intercooler supports 1500hp, not 1500cfm.
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224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 09:01 AM
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Ooops. The intercooler supports 1500hp, not 1500cfm.

BIG difference....lol
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Old July 20th, 2008, 12:08 AM
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Here it is. That's a T70 comp wheel. That little thing to the left is a crankshaft.
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Donnie

Originator of the Nitrous/Methanol Drag Turbo Anti Lag System
Latest 60' at the start of N2O/CH3OH DT ALS tuning development: 1.479. At this point, almost a 0.20 sec advantage over simple n2o injection.

1984 BUICK Grand National
224 cid Stage I BUICK V6 burning CH3OH w/N2O, 91mm turbo. Engine/trans by DRW.

Latest 1/4 mi. perf. (9/2009) w/FI91X (B/W Airwerks S510-91mm): 9.56@154.87mph w/horrible 1.67 60'.
On converter (2400 rpm) @ the line, w/o pre-spooling, 0 bst @ launch, pro tree, max 26-27 psi boost.
5.04 hp/cid. Equivalent to a 500cid V8 producing over 2,500 hp.
My pass @ Pinks All Out qualifying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AZumqEdMUE
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