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Old May 21st, 2008, 09:26 PM
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Damn 28MPH How much does your car weigh?
3445 with me, i weighed 217 after the nats...
Mine has the ta61 and normally picks up 25.5 with the boost at 22 down low and 27 on top.
The 28 pickup was with 25 down low and 28 on the top.... 009 injectors...

I made alot of passes, still together. Still needs more fuel for 10s

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Old May 21st, 2008, 10:29 PM
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I was thinking this Turbo to prevent lag would need a 3200-3400 stall L/U converter.I don't uinderstand the 2800 at all for a bigger Turbo that pulls harder at the top end.I would like to balance the low end torque and power with some mid to high range power above the TE-44.
I doubt buttonfly's converter was actually stalling at 3200. He stated it was very loose. He's changing to whats normally a 2800 stall converter that may actually stall at 3200 on his combo. Thats why you usually get free restalls on converters.... sometimes they can be off for given combos.

As far as your combo, I would get the current combo working good before I upgrade the turbo. Maybe you need a smaller 3200 staller converter to spool the TE44 on your combo, who knows. If you upgrade the turbo and get a converter and it still doesn't spool right, you're right back where you are and the car might run slower. Tuned right, your car should run mid 11's easy and probably run low 11's with your combo. If you can't spool the TE44 like crazy, its probably only going to get worse if you upgrade the turbo.
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 10:14 PM
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I may go back on my previous statements and say maybe a 3000 stall with a boost controller is acceptable. I finally figured mine out and once it starts spooling it hits hard. It's actually blowing right past my MAF ceiling. I don't know what the CR is of your GN motors but my car is an animal at 13psi (the MAF ceiling).
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Old May 24th, 2008, 05:03 AM
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3445 with me, i weighed 217 after the nats...
Mine has the ta61 and normally picks up 25.5 with the boost at 22 down low and 27 on top.
The 28 pickup was with 25 down low and 28 on the top.... 009 injectors...

I made alot of passes, still together. Still needs more fuel for 10s

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How did you get the car so light? Mine is 3720 with me in it. I am going to do a few lightweight mods to it. But I will be lucky to get to 3600.
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TTA#259 GT3255e, 50lb inj, RJC boost controller, THDP,MT DRs. 11.53@119.2. 1.64 60' Best MPH 121.04 Alky control TT SD chip. PLX SM-AFR WB, Power Logger,Jimmy's trans. 3200 Vigilante 5 disc LU
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Old May 26th, 2008, 11:31 AM
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How did you get the car so light? Mine is 3720 with me in it. I am going to do a few lightweight mods to it. But I will be lucky to get to 3600.
The wheel and tire combo was good for at least 50 lbs
The aluminum radiator and battery was good for 30 lbs
Exhaust delete 60 lbs
mini starter 10 lbs
Alum driveshaft 10 lbs
ECT....

I still need to install the alum bumper shocks and cut down the alum supports.

We were able to get a bone stock GN down to 3104 with working ac and nothing in the interior touched. Nothing was cut up on that car, just lots of small stuff to add up in the end.

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Old May 26th, 2008, 11:45 PM
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my car with a 1/8 of a tank of gas is 3468 this is without me in the car. i still have the spare tire and jack stuff in the car. i have recently installed the alum brake drums
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Old May 27th, 2008, 01:33 AM
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Im sticking with my TE-44 for now until I maximize its potential.Maybe ditch my 009 injector's for 60's.I may just upgrade my converter to a Vigilante 3200 9.5 single disc L/U converter.Also put back a PTE .63 EXH Housing on.One thing about the bigger Turbo's is that when going up in size from a TE-44,TE-60 or the 6152 engine's do seem to get broken,cracked or blown up.
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Old May 27th, 2008, 07:30 AM
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Old May 27th, 2008, 09:35 PM
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I doubt buttonfly's converter was actually stalling at 3200. He stated it was very loose. He's changing to whats normally a 2800 stall converter that may actually stall at 3200 on his combo. Thats why you usually get free restalls on converters.... sometimes they can be off for given combos.

As far as your combo, I would get the current combo working good before I upgrade the turbo. Maybe you need a smaller 3200 staller converter to spool the TE44 on your combo, who knows. If you upgrade the turbo and get a converter and it still doesn't spool right, you're right back where you are and the car might run slower. Tuned right, your car should run mid 11's easy and probably run low 11's with your combo. If you can't spool the TE44 like crazy, its probably only going to get worse if you upgrade the turbo.
Actually I just installed the restalled PTC. It stalls right at 2900, and though I don't have any track time yet I can tell a huge difference. It feels like a different car. I love it. I agree on the te44, that thing will spool just fine on a stock converter, but with a stall that thing should be instant. Hey Murph keeps us posted on that combo of your, 11.5's on 15psi that thing should be a handful!!
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Old May 30th, 2008, 08:18 PM
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I just ordered a 6152, have the stock intercooler with the opened up neck, 3200 stall, TT Chip, alky, rebuilt the motor with Diamond pistons, roller rockers and rebuilt the trans as well. 60 lbs. injectors and 100lb valve springs. I upgraded from a TA49. Given everything and my stock intercooler I shouldn't have any issues with this turbo, right?
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Old May 30th, 2008, 09:44 PM
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I don't see many guys posting times with the 6152.Maybe there are alot of tuning issues or its a newer Turbo.Isn't the 6152 the same Turbo as the GT-61
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Old May 30th, 2008, 09:46 PM
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I just ordered a 6152, have the stock intercooler with the opened up neck, 3200 stall, TT Chip, alky, rebuilt the motor with Diamond pistons, roller rockers and rebuilt the trans as well. 60 lbs. injectors and 100lb valve springs. I upgraded from a TA49. Given everything and my stock intercooler I shouldn't have any issues with this turbo, right?
Shouldn't be a problem at all. I'm running a stock long block with an old school Cartek front mount and a 3200 stall converter, spools instantly and pulls very hard.

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Old May 31st, 2008, 01:41 AM
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I have the heads for the 6152 but the stock Cam has me staying away from switching Turbo's.I don't think you will get anywhere near the full potential out of the 6152 until you get Race heads and a Cam.Of course you could always buy the Turbo first.Alot of people think that the TE-44 is to small for my combination.I never ran it at the track but if it runs 11's then its still fast.One thing I have learned is going bigger with Turbo's isnt always better.Most of the Turbo's over a size 61 are proned to cause excessive damage if not tuned correctly.I don't know about how the low end power is on a 6152 but it seems to really haul when matched with the other parts.I think it might feel a little laggy even with a 3200 LU converter.Lag on a primarily driven street car is deppressing.
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Old May 31st, 2008, 09:38 AM
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I don't see many guys posting times with the 6152.Maybe there are alot of tuning issues or its a newer Turbo.Isn't the 6152 the same Turbo as the GT-61
From reading here, yes its the same turbo. Most of the posts on this thread people are using the gt-61 and a 6152 and getting low 11s and high 10s when dialed in perfect.

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Old May 31st, 2008, 10:44 AM
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When I rebuilt the motor, I didn't girdle it (everyone was sold out at the time), but we did put port the stock heads and installed a 210/215 roller cam.

Will this help?
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New best time with the 6152e turbo!

11.824 @117.18mph... 1.82 60ft. and 21-22psi. Still using street tires and stock intercooler! This was my first pass in the 11's... and i still havent really done anything to tune the car!
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Thats pretty good on 93 octane.A 3400 converter is a little more then I thought the 6152 needed.What Turbo did you have before this Turbo?? I want to make sure that the 6152 has a substantial power increase compared to the TE-44 which almost everyone has been in the 11's with.
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Old May 31st, 2008, 04:58 PM
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