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Old June 14th, 2003, 09:11 AM
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I also have a skill with electronics. Autometer would hire me but that's an hour away.
If you want to work there are jobs out there. You could always move. I have. 4 times. An average distance of 700 miles each move.

A lot of people from the northeast seem to be bitching that its the "greedy corporations" fault they don't have jobs and it's the Federal Governments responsibilty. Curiously those are also the same people that admit to owning foreign cars "American cars aren't made in america anyway" they say. O.K.

My company has both moved jobs into the northeast and moved jobs out of the northeast in the last 5 years. It's all about productivity and profits. If you foreign car philes will pay more car built in Japan by people concerned about quality, think about how the Japanese guy feels buying a $10 million dollar turbine engine made by the same high quality US workforce. If we can have something made in Texas for less than in connecticut, we'll do it. We are competing with the Germans, the French and the British. Profits "DO" matter. Profits are the difference between having a good job and looking for a job.

If you wonder why Jobs are leaving the Northeast ask yourself "why am I taxed so much" and "where does all that money go". You'll be surprised to find A LOT of it goes to corporate welfare to keep jobs in your states that would have left years ago. It's just prolonging the inevitable, though.

Government isn't the solution to the problem of a lack of jobs unless you mean "smaller government". The sooner you all realize this the farther ahead you will be.
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I work at a manufacturing facility as the manufacturing engineer.

Here is my observations as to why things are moving to oversees.

1. A fair amount (not all but enough) of the labor force at my facility has an old school mentality. We have people making $17-$20/hr operating a file. They refuse to do anything else. Others operate 1 machine, and if you ask to operate 2 machines at same time they think they deserve double the money. To me while I am at work, the company owns my time. The Union mentallity for the most part is a bit confused. Most of the complex parts that come into our facility I am involved in pricing. A lot of times I don't quote, or will outsource (In US or Canada) purely for the fact I know the job will end up with a lazy person, and the company will lose money. I know for sure we can do it and make money.

2. US companies are slow to make changes in HOW to make parts. In manufacturing world it is and was common for a batching process. Run part A through machine 1, all XXX pieces. Then we go get forklift, move to machine 2, etc. This technique is full of waste. I have also been involved in implementing some Lean Manufacturing techniques and the payoff's are big if done right. Too often people fail at it, don't see the hurdles and give up with it.

The US can compete, people just need to think outside the box and be willing to make changes. We can produce stuff in the US using 1960 techniques and compete with people in other countries making $1 a day. Work smarter not harder US.
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Old June 14th, 2003, 12:42 PM
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Lean Manufacturing he he

That's a Mexican earning $5 a day.

Anyone ever see a 1985 Porsche 944 with over a 100K on it still running.

Well one that didn't require the owners salary in repairs for about 5 years worth of work.

Carry on and NAFTA sucks.

Just found out I may qualify for a free masters degree in masters benefits. I guess I'd rather have my job however.

Wonder who's gonna pay for it? Doubt it's the Mexican govt.

And people made fun of Ross Perot....
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Old June 14th, 2003, 01:07 PM
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How many people complaining about NAFTA have DVD players or have bought a VCR in the last 5 years?

Pretty cool you can buy a VCR for $49 and spend the other $100 you would have spent on one for food or a car part.

If you have a job that can be done by a $5 a day mexican, maybe you should have studied a little more in school.

Please tell your kids to not be like you. I don't want to have to hear them bitch about their jobs being taken by Indians, peruvians, martians, robots, or fill in the blank.

Thanks for your support.
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Don't own a DVD player and my VCR is over 5 years old. I can fix that myself.

My job didn't go to Mexico our whole factory did. They don't bother with things like engineering support they don't worry too much about quality down there....

They can't design and can barely produce what we made with decent quality without shutting down one of the big three.

Kids? LOL don't have them so they won't be like me, or you for that matter.

NAFTA was a big giant sucking sound and the little chicken farmer Perdue or Perot was dead on right. If he didn't mention that fifty cent gas tax he had planned he might have won.

It will take far too long for companies to realize the mistakes of NAFTA based labor. You can't go back.....

Service jobs will be going next. No reason for banking to be done here or insurance or finance when all that can be done globally at $5 a day.

I guess I'll take the free $$$ degree so I can become smerter.
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hey guys!

Two Lane- You are right, the SMALL tractors carry a Yanmar engine or Kawasaki,,,,but the large equipment approx 100 hp and up are all manufactured by Deere. But almost all across the board they use their own stuff. Thanks for your input 2 lane.

littlesixsteve-Who knows why that combine was coming in from overseas? But they are made in USA. Deere does lots od demos overseas and does EXPORT many many combines. Maybe it was a demo or had very few hours as a test machine coming home.!>? Our dealerships here in Kansas always prototype all the new equipment we can, and they usually get to us with a few hundred hours on them, many dealers try them, and then they go back to Deere for inspections for wear, problems etc that are to be fixed for production. We have actually demo'd a combine that was also used in Brazil, they sell many combines to Brazil and overseas for soybeans and wheat.

Nashty-Where do you work? I am coming to Ill for factory tours next month? Give me a spin in your sled?
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look around here

go to Deere and Co website and snoop around, find all ya need to know

http://www.deere.com/en_US/deerecom/...avstate=000001

PS- I am hiring salespeople to sell equipment,,,,,anyone wanting to come sell in a young group of aggressive dealers email me ok.
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not that anyone cares

http://www.deere.com/en_US/deerecom/...01#agriculture

But scroll down this page, lists some of there plants.
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Pay attention to the trend and be one step ahead. That is how you make money and protect yourself. Have a skill that nobody else posseses and you will be protected. If you have a career that is a dime a dozen, professional or not, you are subject to the changing times. Cry to the other guys in the unemployment lines.

Companies are running on tighter profit margins, it is thier company, and it is thier choice like it or not.


Don't mean to be insensitive, but this is the way it is, like it or not.

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Pay attention to the trend and be one step ahead. That is how you make money and protect yourself. Have a skill that nobody else posseses and you will be protected. If you have a career that is a dime a dozen, professional or not, you are subject to the changing times. Cry to the other guys in the unemployment lines.

Companies are running on tighter profit margins, it is thier company, and it is thier choice like it or not.


Don't mean to be insensitive, but this is the way it is, like it or not.

Ted
The conservative side tends to agree with you here, just gotta start looking for the "next" trend and get on board now.. Any suggestions?
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Learn Chinese or Spanish and go chase some jobs.

Not really joking either, companies are hiring mulit-lungual peeps to go train the $5 a day workers.

Sounds like a great way to earn a living....

Funny new trend is taking Mexican jobs and moving them to China. What goes around......

They are doing that with a few lines from our plant in Mexico.

Guess they don't make $5 a day in China....

I'd pay big money to be around to see the Mexicans train the Chinese to do their former jobs.
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