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DRIVERS can make all the difference in the world
I see 10 sec Buicks runnin in the 12/13s.. It's NOT the cars fault
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They sure are purty though. Have seen three different ones on the road around here in the past week. Looks wise they have it all over the new Camaro and Mustang. Let Grumpy have at it on one of those Challengers and it will be a lot quicker.
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hahahaha... lots of quick NEW cars out there.. I am at the track 2/3 days a week .. I don't miss much ..
another GOOD example is the new Shelbys and Vette's .. lots are "slow" BUT a "few" are flyin!! oh ya those damm Mercedes .. mid 11s in a damm station wagon that you wouldn't give a second look to.. only "bad" thing about all these cars is the price BUT look at the $$$ dealers wanted for "muscle cars" when they were new
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At least, in the "looks" department, the Challenger is much, much nicer that the ugly new Camaro!
Claude.
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The type of gas the Challenger is running will make a difference too. My uncle had a '97 C5 Corvette automatic 2.73 gear. He ran 87 octane and it ran 14.0's- 13.80s. I bought the car off him, the only thing I did was run 94 Sunoco in it all the time. I got it down to 13.20s. Octane makes a difference. Driver does too, especially with a manual.
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Not suprised myself. Im sure the driver played a role for sure but it sounds like a pig anyway.
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My buddy had an SRT8 Cherokee. I ran 13.7. So the Challenger should be faster than that. The fastest SRT8 Jeep I saw ran a 13.5. Just saying what I saw with my own eyes. There may be faster/slower ones out there. But there must have been traction issues or something with the Challenger. Go back and try it again.
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I'ld go with the new G8 GXP or a regular G8 for nice comfy daily driver that has potential. The got a real back seat for passengers and good creature comforts.
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I was just talking about the appearance of the car, not it's performance... ...and I also agree that it's a matter of personal taste... . I think the Camaro is U-G-L-Y, period. Claude.
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My Jeep only has a Borla cat-back & a MOPAR CAI. My personal best was a 13.2 @ 104 with a 60-foot of 1.8X. The Jeep was loaded with a metric fu(k ton of Dynamat, a sub box for two Kicker solo 10s & amp, plus random crap in the back as well as a damn-near-full tank of gas. Hell, my first run down the track was a 13.5 and that was with a buddy of mine riding shotgun. ![]() A buddy of mine has one running high 12's with nothing but a CAI & exhaust. Most of them run this way. And they respond to heavier mods like heads/cam, forced induction, etc. really well. Here's a 10-second Jeep (Turbo 426 Stroker) YouTube - WORLD'S QUICKEST Jeep SRT8: 10.75 1/4 Mile Pass YouTube - World's Fastest Jeep SRT8 - 10.88 @ 130 mph Yea, the Chally is a pig. But I am going to say there was some serious driver error going on with those runs. That car should be running MUCH better than low 14's.
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I agree. The Camaro is ugly. The Challenger up close is just a great looking car all around. A local dealer here keeps saying they're waiting on a Black R/T with the Tremec M6 and I'm first on the list for a phone call. The R/T has 370HP compared to 425 from the SRT but the R/T is $10K less which is a little more in my price range. It's worth taking for a test drive to say the least.
As far as perfomance, if it can get out of it's own way I don't really care. If I feel like laying the smack down, I can always keep the Buick around.
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Here's a comparsion artical:
The New Generation of Muscle - MSN Autos The 425 hp Hemi is good for 13.2? 4100lbs
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He can always try an 03, 04 Cobra. With a few mods he can be in the low 11's...I'm not a big fan of the new Challengers they are to big and to heavy. Just my .02
P.S I love GN's and used to own one so don't hate me for driving brand X (see sig)
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The dealer told me the Challenger can get in the 20's MPG. It's a 4100 lb. car with a big V8. I find that hard to beleive. In any case, it would have to be my daily driver and I put a lot of miles on my cars. I thought about an SVT Cobra too but again, I'm a little worried about gas mileage. I guess it's not gonna be easy to have fun and get good MPG at the same time.
However, I did test drive a Saturn Sky the other day with the Ecotech 4. Nice ride. It remiinded me of a Corvette a little. The car had plenty of power but I really didn't get a good kick until I got it into the high 5000-low 6000 RPM range. If I was going to buy new it would be a toss up between one of these and a Challenger.
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I rode in a new challenger with the automatic, it was dissapointing. The salesman that drove it thought it was really fast
It didnt have sh!t out of the hole. Got back and looked at the window sticker and it had 3.06 gears in it
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"That's right, it's not stock" 1986 GN/ttps, Name is "FEAR",Engine build at CPP, with Jan Moeller @Xtreme Motorsports, fine tuning it and doing the final build out to where it is today. One of the PT91.5 Turbo's out of Lawrence Conleys "Tweaked 2", Stage 2 Heads re-done by Zimmerman Racing,Dusty Bradford special converter, with transbrk, XFI Fast, Nitrous assisted (on transbreak only), with a built Transmission from Len Freeman. She doesnt even Wake up until 24#'s 8.75@160mph, with M/T Drag Radials, 1.32 60 ft nly leaving at a soft 8#'s !
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My theory is I can pick up a low mileage LS1 for around $10K. A new Challenger is about $35k. Of course there's big differenece in car there but it's a matter of weighing the options.
I ran agianst that SRT and bad driver or not, it wasn't getting down the track. Granted, it came out of the hole pretty strong once it got traction but after the 1/8 it got further and further away in my mirrors. I had a brand new WS6 that I took to the track for the first time with only about 1500 miles on it and couldn't break out of the 14's. The next time out with about 10,000 miles on it I was running 13.3@107 with it all day. Maybe there's some kind of "break in" period for new cars but for $45K I would want a car that can run at least mid 12's like the Camaro. Too bad the Camaro looks like crap.
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You said it was a manual. I may be wrong but I believe the SRT8 only comes with an auto. The R/T has the manual.
Also, I hear the SRT's arent real nice with computer tuning.
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Any of the Hemi's are 4000 plus pounds never mind the SRT8's. I had put my Dad's Hemi 300C on the scales at Bowling Green and it lit up the scales at 4080 pounds with a half tank of gas in it (nobody inside). Weight kills, I am surprised they didn't make options with this car with weight breaks from the factory. At 3100-3300 pounds this sucker would haul some serious a$$.
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t-type white that is a very nice looking t,anyway i raced almost all the new hemi whatever cars dodge and cry-slur put out in all model forms. i beat all of them with no mercy in my z28. there all hype,but look good.
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I would just take the regular R/T 370 horse version and drive her just like this. Sure you can open it up and make it much faster then a 14 sec ride, but its still going to get beat but something else much more Aero or less weight restricted, thats meant to be fast. These cars are heavy weight cruisers, but they can drag ok as well for bonus reasons. Hennessy built one and still only managed 11 sec slips? Again, these cars a just Cool cruisers, meant to be driven every day in comfort.
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"That's right, it's not stock" 1986 GN/ttps, Name is "FEAR",Engine build at CPP, with Jan Moeller @Xtreme Motorsports, fine tuning it and doing the final build out to where it is today. One of the PT91.5 Turbo's out of Lawrence Conleys "Tweaked 2", Stage 2 Heads re-done by Zimmerman Racing,Dusty Bradford special converter, with transbrk, XFI Fast, Nitrous assisted (on transbreak only), with a built Transmission from Len Freeman. She doesnt even Wake up until 24#'s 8.75@160mph, with M/T Drag Radials, 1.32 60 ft nly leaving at a soft 8#'s !
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