Fiscus 8.28 TSO Outlaw

[HighPSI]

Just want to congratulate my friend Dave. He ran an 8.28@172.21 last weekend. This was an OUTLAW pass.

[SGRIM]

Awesome number! Outlaw or not, congrats Dave!

[86brick]

Wow, that is some SERIOUS MPH!!!! Congrats to Dave, but please tell us what makes this an Outlaw pass? Was it the weight of the car or was Dave using a bigger turbo??

Either way that is super impressive from a stock suspension V6 and I'm ASSuming he was still on the 325 M/T radials.

[HighPSI]

I'll let Dave divulge the details.

[KevinB]

Very nice Dave!!! Did you do it at Edgewater?

[John Wilde]

Congratulations to Dave and team.

[Mike Licht]

WOW 172 is haulin' looks like he will be the man next year for TSO
CONGATS TO THE WHOLE FISCUS TEAM!
Mike

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by Mike Licht

WOW 172 is haulin' looks like he will be the man next year for TSO
CONGATS TO THE WHOLE FISCUS TEAM!
Mike

Wasn't he also the man this year

[John Wilde]

I think that pass was for lil Dave!

[Tony Shoaff]

Lookin Good Dave. Congrats.

[Buicksx2]

Good Lord thats flying........Congrats Dave nice job.

[Mike Licht]

Originally Posted by Otto J

Wasn't he also the man this year

Otto my friend, I would never take anythign away from Dave, he had the fastest car all year but Ted A. did win 3 out the 4 events he went to and I believe the TSO Top Gun points series too. In my book that makes Ted the man for 2008 in TSO. I know Ted's car pretty well and I have a hard time believing he is going to make a 172 pass in near the current trim. So my hat is off to the Fiscus crew
Mike

[Mike Licht]

Originally Posted by John Wilde

I think that pass was for lil Dave!

All us dad's know that is the truth!!!!

[HighPSI]

Originally Posted by Mike Licht

...he had the fastest car all year but Ted A. did win 3 out the 4 events he went to and I believe the TSO Top Gun points series too.

Ted is the TSO points series champion and point series ET record holder. He won Columbus and Osceola.
Dave won Bowlng Green and Norwalk and is the GSCA record holder. They raced each other twice this year and each won once.

In legal trim, both cars have shown similar performance.

[V6RACER]

Congrats Dave. I think those cable ties we put on in Norwalk must have helped ya out a little..

[SGRIM]

Originally Posted by V6RACER

Congrats Dave. I think those cable ties we put on in Norwalk must have helped ya out a little..

Haven't you learned about mighty putty yet?

[ijames]

WOW! 172 mph! 86, outlaw trim means it wasn't either a qualifying or eliminations pass at a TSO event with the car weighed after the pass. In this case to pick up that much mph I have to think he was testing a new turbo, but that is sheer speculation on my part :-). Way to go, Dave!

[gnxtc2]

Congrats

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com

[S2V6RACER]

Originally Posted by HighPSI

Ted is the TSO points series champion and point series ET record holder. He won Columbus and Osceola.
Dave won Bowlng Green and Norwalk and is the GSCA record holder. They raced each other twice this year and each won once.

In legal trim, both cars have shown similar performance.

Dave, that is just insane sick power you are making with your car. That must have been quite a ride. Congrats on your accomplishments, you have set the bar so high that I don't think will ever be touched.

Dave has a history racing this class and to come into the class and line up against a champion racer you need to know that you better be on your game, especially when they are bringing big power to the table.


To think a year ago we thought 160 was something to be seeing at the events, now we will have 170. I don't think that TSO has ever had this much ground covered in one year.

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by Mike Licht

Otto my friend, I would never take anythign away from Dave, he had the fastest car all year but Ted A. did win 3 out the 4 events he went to and I believe the TSO Top Gun points series too. In my book that makes Ted the man for 2008 in TSO. I know Ted's car pretty well and I have a hard time believing he is going to make a 172 pass in near the current trim. So my hat is off to the Fiscus crew
Mike

Iwasn't talking who won what,I which car made the best pass.
Believe me I am not taking anything away from Ted,His setup is unreal,I would'nt mind buying that setup

[S2V6RACER]

Originally Posted by Otto J

Believe me I am not taking anything away from Ted,His setup is unreal,I would'nt mind buying that setup

Thanks Otto, I really gave it a shot this year and things worked out.


I still can't get over that MPH he ran. I heard Dave didn't have it turned up either!!!

[TurboDiverArt]

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

[III'S 87 GN]

Way to go Dave !

Just when I thought I was gaining on you

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by TurboDiverArt

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

Leave TSO alone and start an Index class for guys that want to go that style racing.
Call it TSI

[TurboDiverArt]

Originally Posted by Otto J

Leave TSO alone and start an Index class for guys that want to go that style racing.
Call it TSI

Just a thought, I don't think without drastic changes there will be a TSO with full car count.

Art.

[S2V6RACER]

I am all for a points series index class also. Maybe BG TSO can be a heads up run what you brung and the points series can be a index since we had some issues with car count this year at a couple of events and we need car count for a points series to be successful.

[Cheeseburger]

Originally Posted by TurboDiverArt

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

I think both TSO and TSM you will need to spend alot of $$$ to compete.
Congrats Dave, that's hauling!!!
Ted is right there, hard to compete with those guys!

[Dusty Bradford]

I think it was a GT-55/91 and he was taking a shot at 7.90's in the cool air. Boost was well north of 40 psi He was testing the limits of a converter as well and he still can't blow through it

Changing this class to index is the worst idea I've ever heard. That would eliminate any need for vendors to develop new parts, sponsorship $$$ will fall like a rock. It just slaps the guys in the face who worked their butts off to be faster.

OR if people want index I'd vote for 8.0 so everybody can step up

[Dusty Bradford]

Originally Posted by TurboDiverArt

Just a thought, I don't think without drastic changes there will be a TSO with full car count.

Art.

Looking back at some of the other comments while I was typing the last reply....TSO has never had a 16 car field. I'm trying to remember if it ever had an 8 car field. Fact is, guys aren't building TSO cars to compete in TSO. Most of them are building cars for themselves that just happen to fit TSO. Some of them race, some don't. You have to have a real desire to stick with the V6's with the kind of money you have to invest in them. When I looked into it I did not want to invest that kind of $$$ to run a couple races a year and run 8.50's. Most racers feel this way so your not going to see a lot of new 8 second TSO style cars popping up no matter what the rules are. Majority of the TSO racers are guys who've been in the class for years.

[bison]

Nice going Dave. For all those wondering RPE, PTC, and XFI . What a combo.

[gbsean]

from an "outsider" knowing Rich, Ted, Avon, Artie , Chris the bar keeps getting pushed higher...which is great for promoting V6 power...but breakage this year has been more of an issue in years past....heck before the 2008 season started I for one was hoping for a great year....to see Ted Avon and Ficus and Chris and Rich to go at it....but that is all you really have....6 guys to compete in a Race series...the way I see it is without a limit..sky is the limit...and you will keep the used to be guys out of the running....nothing against Dave or Ted for pushing the envelope...but if TSO is to continue and draw other than the 8 guys that have been in it for the last 4 years...something needs to change...just my opinion...for what it is worth

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by gbsean

from an "outsider" knowing Rich, Ted, Avon, Artie , Chris the bar keeps getting pushed higher...which is great for promoting V6 power...but breakage this year has been more of an issue in years past....heck before the 2008 season started I for one was hoping for a great year....to see Ted Avon and Ficus and Chris and Rich to go at it....but that is all you really have....6 guys to compete in a Race series...the way I see it is without a limit..sky is the limit...and you will keep the used to be guys out of the running....nothing against Dave or Ted for pushing the envelope...but if TSO is to continue and draw other than the 8 guys that have been in it for the last 4 years...something needs to change...just my opinion...for what it is worth

I really dont think change will add any more TSO cars,but may keep a few from jumping out of TSO

[Louie L.]

Originally Posted by Otto J

Iwasn't talking who won what,I which car made the best pass.
,I would'nt mind buying that setup

So you can sell it next week?

[Louie L.]

Dave, Congrats on the awesome pass!

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by Louie L.

So you can sell it next week?

No peehole,So I can put it in tha heap in my garage