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May 6th, 2007, 06:18 PM
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Here Is The Official Manual Trans Thread!
Enough Searching For The Half Ass Posts.!! Lets Make This The Official One With All The Right Facts And Info!!
I Just Had My Car Ready For The Track And The 3rd Tranny Blew!! Now I'm Not Nice To My Trannys And They Were All Used So I Don't Want You To Think It Was Some 1,200 Dollar Trannys Getting Ruined. I Want To Try A 6 Spd. I Know Its Gonna Be A Bit Pricey But The Real Question Is... Will It Work?? It May Be A Little Slower, It May Be Inconsistant, But It Will Be Fun! Now, I Believe That The Car Will Work With A Manual Tranny Using A Blow Off Valve To Keep The Turbo Spooled.. And To Drag Race You Will Most Likely Need A 2 Step To Spool The Turbo. Now My Question Is How About The Gear Ratio's? The Auto Will For The Most Part Keep The Car Closer To Its Powerband Through Shifts, But Will The Slightly Widespread Gear Ratio's In A 6 Speed Affect The Performance That Much. And Will It Be Affected Because These Motors Don't Rev High??? The Mechanical Aspect Of The Install Is Simple. Bpo 4 Spd Bell Housing, Manual Clutch Setup, G-body Pedals, Slightly Modified Crossmember, Etc.. Once Again, Will It Work And Will It Be Worth It?? Will The Performance Of The Car Be Affected That Much On The Track. Will The Street Performance And Enjoyability Be Improved Enough To Overcome The Slight Performance Issue If Any??? Discuss!!!
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 GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE!     
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May 6th, 2007, 06:55 PM
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ummmmm...how fast you looking to go
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Dan don't run your mouth if you cant run your car  86/87 GN and 89 TTA .. tons of parts !! Time to get out! Stuff has to go !!! Otherwise I am cutting it up and throwing it away email ttastage2@yahoo.com
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May 6th, 2007, 08:24 PM
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GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE!
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May 6th, 2007, 08:30 PM
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Well To Answer Your Question. My Goal Is Low Tens!! My Engine Combo Is A 109 Block .20 Over With Forged Diamond Pistons, Champion Alum. Heads, Billet Roller Cam, Ported Intake, 70mm Tb, Rjc Race Plate, T-66, 60 Lb Injectors, Cottons Front Mount, Etc. My Next Step To Get Me There Is Alky!! Buy I Can't Do A Thing Until The Tranny Situation Is Fixed.. And I'm Pretty Sure The Engine Combo Is Good For A Mid Ten, But If A 6 Speed Puts Me In The High Ten Low Eleven Catagory I Don't Care, It Will Be More Fun!!!
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GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE!
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May 6th, 2007, 08:47 PM
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I understand the fun factor. I have a twin turbo stealth, and the manual tranny makes it sort of fun (sometimes).
A BOV won't keep the boost during the shift, but it will make the turbo last longer. Drag racing with the 6 speed is a different animal, but if you can power shift well, you should do fine. Watching this thread! Bob
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May 7th, 2007, 07:00 AM
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I CAN ONLY PICTURE IT RELEASING THE INTAKE CHARGE AND SPINNING FREE WHEN THE BOV IS OPEN AND ONCE THE THROTTLE PLATE OPENS BACK UP THE CHARGE IS RIGHT THERE!!! NO??
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GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE!
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May 7th, 2007, 02:55 PM
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THE LAST 3 SEARCHES I DID SAID " USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION". I THINK I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO TRY IT!!! MY PLAN IS TO GET A BUICK PONTIAC OLDS, STYLE BELL HOUSING, MAKE AN ADAPTER PLATE TO BOLT THE SIX SPEED TO IT, USE A MANUAL CLUTCH SETUP, MAY HAVE TO MODIFY THE CLUTCH FORK, 4 SPEED STYLE CLUTCHES, TUBULAR CROSSMEMBER, NEW SHAFT, AND G BODY PEDALS. AND WHO MAKES A GOOD BLOW OFF VALVE??
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GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE! Last edited by MENTL231 : May 7th, 2007 at 02:59 PM.
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May 7th, 2007, 03:00 PM
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May 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM
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The BOV helps, but the turbo decelerates because the throttle is closed and the exhaust volume goes to ~almost nothing. You need to re-spool after the shift. If the RPMs are high enough, the spool will happen pretty fast. If you powershift there will be no respool. This takes some real skills tho..... Launching is tricky without a 2-step. Bob
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May 7th, 2007, 03:54 PM
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What if the exhaust from the BOV were re-routed to the intake tract (after the MAF) instead of being vented to the atmosphere. Would this help to keep the boost re-circulated??
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May 7th, 2007, 04:09 PM
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GIRDLED 109 BLOCK, 70 GTQ, 83LB INJECTOR'S, COTTON'S 3'' DOWN PIPE, RACE GATE, COMP CAM HYD ROLLER 212/218, GN1 STAGE 2 HEADS, FULLY PORTED INTAKE, 1.55 ROLLER ROCKERS, 70MM TB, .20 FORGED DIAMOND PISTONS, COTTONS FMIC, MAF TRANSLATER. TURBO TWEAK CHIP. BRIAN HOFER FULL BILLET WITH ELEC BRAKE. 3,400 STALL CONVERTER. AFFORDABLE GNX OPTION PACKAGE!
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May 7th, 2007, 04:34 PM
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May 7th, 2007, 04:40 PM
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Call Brian Hofer.
He can build it (200) ....and at a fair price w/ excellent support. Go with the 5 speed if you enjoy being eaten up by Jeep Cherokees.
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May 7th, 2007, 05:18 PM
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Ive got a T-56 out of a 97 F-body. It will be $1700 when freshened with synchros, billet keys, a nodular iron 3-4 fork, and the other serviceable small parts. I dont have a bellhousing at this time though. PM me if interested.
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Blue GN: Old combo 559whp/706wtq. New buildup to come with race ported GN 1 heads and intake  . Black GN:Stock 147k shortblock except cam ,KB 70 mm TB and plenum, ported irons 1.77in 1.5ex, RJC head gaskets, ported stock intake, 212-212 comp roller, 1.65 T&D's, RJC powerplate, 1" plenum spacer, 83 lb/hr injectors, double pumper, FAST XFI, G-Body FMIC, welded ported stock manifolds, 3.5 dp, CPT 66BB GTQ, PAC dual nozzle alky injection, Dusty PTC 9.5", 200 4-R by me with billet shafted forward drum, billet input, billet ring gear and planet. 8.5 rear with Auburn, 28 spline Moser axles, and LPW girdle. 10.29@133.46mph .Time with old combo (stock ecm, p-trim turbo, and loose converter) 10.88@126mph. Stage II coming soon .
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May 7th, 2007, 06:55 PM
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GIVE IT A WHIRL AND POWERSHIFT IT
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Dan don't run your mouth if you cant run your car 86/87 GN and 89 TTA .. tons of parts !! Time to get out! Stuff has to go !!! Otherwise I am cutting it up and throwing it away email ttastage2@yahoo.com
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May 8th, 2007, 08:45 AM
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 DittoOne of the reason Lee made the "search" comment was because... this topic had been beaten to death in the past, and is often revisited by bench racers and trolls looking to stir it up. Not one actually tried the swap, and reported their findings. The topic just turned into heresay, woulda, coulda, shoulda, mud slinging and such. The ones who had done the swap, just got tired of reposting the same info over and over again. If you are serious...take the time to go over those posts and weed through the BS. All the info is there. Paul
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May 25th, 2007, 08:22 AM
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I think if you rev your engine higher than the typical Buick Turbo V6 and get a turbo that spools up quick, maybe something smaller than what you have or something with ball bearings it should work just fine. It might also help to get a camshaft that favors higher rpm horsepower. If Supras and Porshe 911's can be fast with a stick shift, why not a Buick? If you can get your car in the 10's with a stick shift I'll put one in my Impala.
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Jeff Black 96 Impala SS (Buick Turbo V6 powered), 11.91 @ 111. Last edited by 65malibuss : May 25th, 2007 at 08:25 AM.
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May 25th, 2007, 09:04 AM
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I have no experience with this but the new Evos, STi's and Mazda Speeds are turbos and sticks and getting very fast. How about a Richmond 5speed? I went up against a 71 Z28 that had one of those and it flew. Of course with any manual, driver skills would be a huge factor. As far as turbo spooling would going twin turbo with lower boost make any difference?
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