Fastest v6

[slow87]

Originally Posted by John Wilde

Shane,

I think Todd Mckenzie does all off Duttweiler's Stuff/Titan's stuff.
I know did the head on Chris's Supra.
Jay can you share some information with Steve and I?

Not sure if it's true, but a local racer has his motors built by a place called Autoshop in Florida. I Remember him saying something about them building Titan's motors

[John Wilde]

Originally Posted by slow87

Not sure if it's true, but a local racer has his motors built by a place called Autoshop in Florida. I Remember him saying something about them building Titan's motors

Duttweiler engineered and built their motors since at least 2005.
I don't know about this year.
It is possible that the shop in FL builds the motors Titan Sells not Races.

This picture I took of the Copper Titan Car in Vegas of 05.
I have also spoken to the Duttweilers in the past about this program.
"this was a couple years ago."

[John Wilde]

Taken from the Titan web site:


Utilizing a 2jz-gte motor commonly out of a Toyota Supra Twin Turbo the team is quite at home with this powerplant. Come out and visit us in 2004 at the race and stop by and feel feel to grab a keychain and chat with one of the team members.

Sponsors include: Aeromotive, Aeroquip, ARP,Adell Wiggins, ATI Super Damper, B&M, BFGoodrich, Borla Headers, Casite, Cometic, Crower, Dunlop Tires, Duttweiler Performance, Ferrea, Fidanza, Fluidyne, G-Force Transmissions, Greddy, GRP, G-Sport, Hotchkis, HPC, JE Pistons, K&N, Koni, Motec, Nitrous Express, PPG, Precision Turbo, PST, RC Engineering, RJ Race Cars, RPS, Sealed Power, Sparco, Strange Engineering, TRD, VP Race Fuels, Weld, Wilson Manifolds and the awesome Titan Crew.

[LSTTYPE]

I wish I never would have came across this thread as I found it a little depressing. Ok so maybe the supra motor can squeeze by our motor in terms of HP but what about torque? Also isnt the new TA block supposed to be able to support like 2k HP with proper heads??? Not to play the "what if" game, but what if Buick would have kept going with Ingersol's car? It ran like an 7.02 in 1985 with mechanical fuel injection. Do you honestly think they would have not achieved 6.40s eventually? I think its all about money and whos backing the car. Just my 2 cents.

[cwmccray]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

I wish I never would have came across this thread as I found it a little depressing. Ok so maybe the supra motor can squeeze by our motor in terms of HP but what about torque? Also isnt the new TA block supposed to be able to support like 2k HP with proper heads??? Not to play the "what if" game, but what if Buick would have kept going with Ingersol's car? It ran like an 7.02 in 1985 with mechanical fuel injection. Do you honestly think they would have not achieved 6.40s eventually? I think its all about money and whos backing the car. Just my 2 cents.

BUICK totally scared the living HELL out of Motorsports (NASCAR, NHRA, IHRA, CART). Ingersoll had access to Bernard Santavy and other Buick Engineers If he had not have beeb blacked balled, Buick would have OWNED Motorsports.... He raced the idol, Bob Glidden and scared the living SH1T out of him . He burned a coil wire and still ran low 7's . Glidden and others figured it would take 2 years to get their turbo programs up .

GM was feeling the HEAT from Chevy. Buick is not supposed to be dominate. In NASCAR Busch Series, Buicks were dominate with their NA Stage V6 motors. Santavy and his Engineers were on the verge of dominating IMSA with technology learned from working with Ingersoll. Buick was already dominating CART and the Indy 500.

King Buddy opened a can of worms! V6 power was starting a revolution. Buck had YEARS of experience. Chevy's 4.3 was a dog. Even in the Syclone. Could you imagine a Buick engine in a Syclone? Chevy would have sold out. Unlike Pontiac, Chevy said that either GM reign in Buick or else.

We all know what happened!

[smoke20]

you guys have to remember kenny went 6.89 9 years ago. what could he do now with todays tech?. It all comes down to money, How much you have to spend will tell you how fast you will go.

[LSTTYPE]

Great point. If there was a team backing our block like there is today for toyota, I think we could still be competitive. How far can the new TA block be pushed?

[LSTTYPE]

Just read under another section that the new TA block has reached 1700hp! The TA add aslo boasts the question of "who will be the first to reach 2000hp?" Looks as if our oldschool pushrods can still be quite competitive to me!

[John Wilde]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

Just read under another section that the new TA block has reached 1700hp! The TA add aslo boasts the question of "who will be the first to reach 2000hp?" Looks as if our oldschool pushrods can still be quite competitive to me!

Where have you read that?

[LSTTYPE]

I found it under the stage 2 section. There is a thread called Ta performance Block.

[John Wilde]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

I found it under the stage 2 section. There is a thread called Ta performance Block.

That is part of their marketing.
I am not aware of anyone stepping forward and saying that was their build.
This includes Duttweiler, DLS, RPE and Anderson.
If this figure was factual it would be all over the Internet!
However I am not saying it is impossible.

[LSTTYPE]

Why would they post that someone has made the 1700hp mark in their add? I agree though that it would be big news to make 1700hp.

[John Wilde]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

Why would they post that someone has made the 1700hp mark in their add? I agree though that it would be big news to make 1700hp.

Marketing is an interesting game.
1700 is not impossible, but to my knowledge has not been done with this or a stage II block.
Call them and ask them who built the motor and for dyno sheets.
Please post back what you find out.
Once you provided that information, it could be verified through members on this board.
TA originally marketed it was good for 3000HP.

[LSTTYPE]

I think i'll just live in denial and hope that someone did make 1700. Im not desperate enough to call TA and question them about their add. I still think if Buick Motosports would have survived, they would have pushed 2000hp and put toyota to shame.

[John Wilde]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

I think i'll just live in denial and hope that someone did make 1700. Im not desperate enough to call TA and question them about their add. I still think if Buick Motosports would have survived, they would have pushed 2000hp and put toyota to shame.

I called Mike (the owner of TA) and he graciously gave me a couple minutes to talk to me about the block.

Mike's Information:

-The On Center and Off Center Blocks are in stock
-The current pricing is $3900
-The 3000HP strength claim was made by people who were comparing it to top fuel blocks.
-The 1700HP claim was based on figures heard on the Internet about a TSO Motor.
-This block has shown that it can retain bearing longer in a high performance race application.

My Opinion:

-The TSO motor if you do the math makes ~1500HP MAX...
-The Turbos I have known to be on that car would not even support 1700HP
-This block has a lot of potential and just needs to find someone that is willing to put the money and development into.
-I am sure that the TSO guys will continue to push the envelope but due to turbo limitations will never push this block to the suggested limits.

In closing this block is a monster and is waiting for someone to wake it.
I would love to see a 10-1, twin turbo with 76MM turbos running on alky push the limits on a good engine dyno.

[LSTTYPE]

Do you think soneone with enough $$$ could make 2000hp with this motor??? Is it possible??

[1BADTT]

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

Looks as if our oldschool pushrods can still be quite competitive to me!

Hell yes ! More efficient than a 2JZ ?? Unfortunately no !!

Originally Posted by LSTTYPE

Do you think soneone with enough $$$ could make 2000hp with this motor??? Is it possible??

Time will tell...

[John Wilde]

I would like to see what the Duttweiler Galina/Freeman Team can come up with
this year. In addition Shane and Jay will come out swinging at some point.
To my knowledge they will both run the Buick Block but similar performance should be expected.

[turbodragster]

all i can say is Ara had a toyota dragster at the track same day as me and i put it on him. you can talk all about what power they make but like some say compare apples to apples. i like toyotas, but they run 75 lbs of boost to get those numbers. i know because of my freinds in the import world. but for everyone thinks they can run 5's with a toyota in a dragster all they got to do is do it and show me how easy it is. blown hemis have trouble running them numbers even in dragsters when you got a torque converter behind it. but anyone who feels going in the fives will be easy with a toyota by all means go for it. i definatly will be waiting for it at the track.
P.S.
it aint the whistle that pulls the train.

[BlownV6]

I bit my lip when I read this a while back. I go to quick races around the Ohio
area. Its blown 600cubic inch Hemis , BBC , SB2s , etc. I quite often end up in the top half of the field against these guys and get to send a few home!!
I have never seen anything smaller than my motor even think about trying to compete in this class.
Example : The absolute track record at my home track "Kilkare raceway" is held by an all out Pro-top outlaw , blown Hemi , lenco , TAD car 3.85 @ 185 in the 1/8. I have been 4.25 @ 163 with my junk v6 buick. 90% of the time I show up to bracket race my car I am the fastest car at the track. People around here just cant believe a buick v6 can run like that!!!
After listening to all you "Toyota experts" I guess I should just pack it in and give up!!! BTW I