Non-Pump E85+ Brands, Octane Levels, Shipping Etc

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  1. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Figured i would start a post in regards to finding locations and companys who ship E85 or Race E85+ fuel, for us who want to run a higher Octane E85+ at the track. So far is see both VP, and Sunoco, Rocket brand, have E85 listed on their sites. I wonder what they rate Normal E85 at? I see they are rating their race 85 at 99 and 98 octane and 112. So far rocket brand is looking good.

    SUNOCO E85R RACING GASOLINE
    Sunoco E85-R is an unleaded racing fuel containing 85 volume % ethanol. It can only be used in fuel systems designed specifically for E85 blends. Because it is highly oxygenated and requires increased fuel flow compared to conventional non-oxygenated fuels, consult with your fuel injection system or carburetor supplier for correct air/fuel ratio calibrations.
    The composition of conventional E85 blends can vary. Sunoco E85-R is blended to consistently contain 85% ethanol. The non-ethanol portion of Sunoco E85-R is comprised of highly-refined race fuel hydrocarbons for superior stability and consistency. Sunoco E85-R is the racer’s fuel of choice where E85 blends are allowed.
    Sunoco E85-R should be stored in dark, tightly sealed containers where the temperature is stable. Handled under such conditions, shelf life is in excess of 1 year. Check with your fuel system and fuel container manufacturers for compatibility with ethanol blends.
    Suncoco E85R MSDS
    Fuel Property
    Typical Specifications
    Specific Gravity 0.790
    Lbs./gallon 6.6
    Antiknock Index (R+M)/2 99
    RON, Research Octane 104
    MON, Motor Octane 94
    Reid Vapor Pressure 4.4
    Distillation, ºF
    Initial Boiling Point 135
    10% Evaporation 165
    50% Evaporation 171
    90% Evaporation 173
    Final Boiling Point 180
    Leaded NO
    Color Pale Green
    Oxygen, Wt.% 29
    Stoichiometric A/F Ratio 9.9


    VP FUELS

    NEW! C85™If you’re committed to using E85 type fuels, C85 is by far your best choice. Conventional E85 fuels are notoriously inconsistent, requiring up to a two-jet swing in tuning from one batch of E85 to the next. By contrast, C85 is blended with a consistent proportion of ethanol and every other component in every drum. In addition to taking all the guesswork out of tuning, C85 makes up to 4% more power and torque than conventional E85. With higher quality pure components, C85 is superior to E85 in terms of cooling effect, resistance to detonation and even includes corrosion inhibitors to fight the issues presented by ethanol. C85 works well in drag racing, oval track, off road and virtually any other automotive application, in particular forced induction applications due to its lower vapor pressure. Tests of C85 indicate most applications will require richening up by 1 jet size, or 2-3% over current jetting. Note that for racers unwilling to invest in the new carb and expensive fuel system upgrade required for E85, VP’s MS109, VP113 and Q16 continue to be the best race


    TYPICAL VALUES
    Color: Yellow
    • Motor Octane: 90R+M/2: 98• Specific Gravity: .793 @ 60°F



    Rockett Brand Racing Fuel
    TYPICAL INSPECTION DATA E-85-112
    PRODUCT CODE.....E85-112
    OCTANE AKI (R+M)/2.....112
    RESEARCH OCTANE NUMBER (R.O.N.).....116
    MOTOR OCTANE NUMBER (M.O.N.)...108
    DENSITY, G/CM3 @60F....0.789
    GRAVITY, API..... 47.9
    DISTILLATION F @ % EVAP.
    INT. BOILING POINT .....100
    10...160
    50...172
    90...172
    END POINT...270
    COLOR...GREEN
  2. QWKRTNU Back in the GAME!!

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    This would be good info to know
  3. turbojosh Member

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    Nice post ! I think out where I live e-85 will never die out here, farmers are way to depended on it for this heart of the mid-west, but it's nice to know .
  4. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Not to worried about E85 dying out. I have access to E85 but i like to have the higher octane or better fuel to run while at the track and pushing the car. Rocket brand has no suppliers out in cally or AZ. will be contacting VP and Sunoco reps but i don't like the said octane rating. I know their are plants that can make sepecial blends thats why i made this thread. would really like to get some E85+ (e85-E98) at as high of a ocatane as possible
  5. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    Hey, A Tucson Sunoco has race E85. I was getting a hair cut at the Swade Barber Shop @ 2005 W Ruthrauff Rd and the gas station next to it had it advertised...
  6. QWKRTNU Back in the GAME!!

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    Did u see a price? Was it a lot more?
  7. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    thanks for the info, not sure i would want fuel out of a station that sells Race e85 with no a high demand. fuel will be sitting static for awhile. i would like to test it and see what the E85 rating is but octane rating will be un-know and who knows if its any different then the standard e85. Drums would be nice that way you know its fresh and true e85 race
  8. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    Are you in Phoenix or SoCal?
  9. marleyskater420 still needs to learn

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    If I would ever hear back from Shane, I'd actually like to become a distributor of high-octane (105 and 110) E85-based fuels.

    I've emailed a few times, but never heard anything from him.

    I do have access to some really reliable fuel sources, (between 3.50-5$/gal for 105-110 octane) however I can't do anything about becoming a vendor if I never hear anything back.
  10. marleyskater420 still needs to learn

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    This octane can remain stable, if in a sealed drum, for up to three years.

    The shipping is roughly ~1$ per gallon when getting a 55 gal drum. Of course, it depends on where you are getting it shipped to and from.
  11. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    Here are a list of AZ sellers for Sunoco C85:

    Tucson Raceway
    11955 S Harrison Rd
    Tucson, AZ 85747 US

    USA Raceway
    4300 E Los Reales Rd
    Tucson, AZ 85706 US

    Speedway Race Fuels - Open on Saturday from 11a-12p (5gal for $57.00)
    2300 West Broadway Road
    Phoenix, AZ 85041 US

    Canyon Raceway
    9777 West Carefree Road
    Peoria, AZ 85382 US

    Speedworld Dragstrip
    19421 West Happey Valley Rd
    Wittmann, AZ 85361 US
  12. marleyskater420 still needs to learn

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    how much is it per gallon?
  13. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    5 gal for $57.00
  14. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    Where are you from?
  15. marleyskater420 still needs to learn

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    from california. Now I live in the anus of America.

    some call it Oklahoma.
  16. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    Sucky!!!!! Middle of no where!
  17. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Tucson and SoCal
  18. CGASTON Well-Known Member

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    How often you go to Nicks?
  19. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Whats C85?

    Also how did you get this list? Went to their sites and some don't even list the fuels, they're just race tracks. Also some have all their fuels listed but no E85R. I will call SIR and see if they carry it but im almost 100% sure they don't. They just sell race gas. I might have to call all the sunoco in between cally and Tucson and see who has it. It listes Auto Club Speedway, I run a track event out of ACS and they have sunoco fuel but not E85R.
  20. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Every month or so.

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