BSFC and injector sizing

Discussion in 'E85 Technical Forum' started by 87GN_70GS, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. 87GN_70GS Active Member

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    From what I can gather, it looks like the BSFC of E85 is .60 - .65 (compared to .50 for gasoline). That would say that the calculations for the maximum hp supported by the injectors, derived from max flow rate, would decrease the hp number by ~20 - 30% compared to gasoline: Hp = 6 x Inj_flow_rate / BSFC.

    Or for the required injector flow rate, derived from max hp, it would increase the injector size by ~20 - 30% over that of gasoline:

    Inj_flow_rate = Hp x BSFC / 6
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  3. turbobob924 Member

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    So if all I'm looking for is around 400 HP at the flywheel then MSD 50 injectors would be OK with E85?
  4. 87GN_70GS Active Member

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    Yes, that should leave you with about 15-20% duty cycle headroom.

    The above formula is for the ideal case with the injectors runing static (100% duty cyle). In the real world, it might not be a bad idea to factor in 15% headroom to allow for varying conditions, tuning, etc., so add 15% to the injector size:

    Inj_flow_rate x 1.15
  5. Chuck Leeper Older than most

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    "compared to .50 for gasoline".
    I think that number is for a n/a engine. Forced induction engines are usually higher. Closer to .6- .65, depending on how well it's designed.
  6. Quik Mr 800rwhp

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    also remember you need the room in your pump and fuel lines to support it.


    now i run a mix of E85. i run 40% E85 and 60% 93. they say anything more the 30% you need to tune for. I happend to not need to tune for it. i noticed cooler temps, i noticed off boost how snappier it was, also it spooled turbo faster and hit much harder. If you want to first try it out before you go full bore E85, try a mix of it.

    my exhaust smells like rum
  7. Hot Air E85 Moderator

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    BSFC = Fuel Consumption / Power Produced

    While E85 will require more fuel due to it's low BTU/Gal, it will make more HP. I wouldn't think the BSFC would change for different fuels.

    Hot Air
  8. forcefed86 Member

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    Figure your standard gas BSFC first. Boosted engines closer to .60-.65 on GASOLINE. Once you get your injector sizing calculated, multiply your injector size by 1.47.

    IE 42 if you needed 42# injectors to support your HP rating on gas thake that and multiply it by 1.47.

    42 X 1.47 = 62lb Injector for E85.

    This information is taken from Injector-Rehab.com
  9. Hot Air E85 Moderator

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    I would caution you to think BIG. Since E85 will cool the charge so you can run more boost...don't scrimp on the injectors. Also, since E85 likes to run rich...don't skinp on the injectors. Also, be sure you have a capable fuel pump(2)!
    Conrad
  10. Alky V6 Let's go racing, boyz!

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    BSFC is a unique number range associated with each unique type of fuel. It is a very important number in the determination of how much fuel of a certain type must be burned to create a specific amount of horsepower. The BSFC number for one specific type of fuel will fit within a range depending on the efficiency of the engine and whether you are looking at a lean burn ratio, a stoich ratio or a rich burn limit ratio to create the HP you are calculating for. That's why you may see a BSFC range of .45-.65 for gasoline. The lower end of the range would be for lean burning, and/or an engine that makes efficient use of the fuel. The higher end of the scale would represent inefficient use of the fuel, or cases where extra fuel is being used to cool the combustion process, such as in supercharging or turbocharging.

    target horsepower x BSFC = total lb/hr fuel requirement for the engine.
    example: 1,500 HP x 1.35 BSFC = 2,025 lb/hr
    1.35 being on the higher end of the BSFC range for methanol.

    total lb/hr fuel requirement / number of injectors being used = lb/hr fuel requirement per injector (uncorrected).
    example: 2,025 lb/hr / 18 injectors = 112.5 lb/hr per injector (uncorrected)

    60000 / peak engine rpm = available injector time (ms) per crankshaft revolution.
    60000 / 9000 rpm = 6.67ms

    (available injector time per crankshaft revolution - injector recovery time in ms) / available injector time per crankshaft revolution = maximum injector duty cycle.
    example: (6.67ms - 1.3ms) / 6.67ms = 80.5% duty cycle

    lb/hr fuel requirement per injector (uncorrected) / maximum injector duty cycle = required injector size.
    example: 112.5 lb/hr / .805 (80.5%) duty cylce = 139.75 lb/hr injector

    If you want to be safe about sizing the injector, pick a BSFC number that is on the higher end of the range for the fuel you're doing the calculation for.
  11. Alky V6 Let's go racing, boyz!

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    The BSFC range for E85 is .63- .70. This would be an efficient stoich burn. For a boosted application this number would be higher, .84-.91.
    For instance, The BSFC range for methanol is .9-1.00 for an efficient stoich burn. In a turbocharged application, it is not uncommon to use 1.35, or even higher, up to 2.0 in high boost, high HP applications. My Stage I project worked with a BSFC number of around 1.18.
  12. strokher racing New Member

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    I went from 95's on my car to 160's so it can take quite a bit more fuel for sure:)


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