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April 7th, 2008, 08:59 PM
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Bought a stage motor....what next?
Never messed with a stage motor. Virgin off-center 016 stage ll 14 bolt splayed caps 4.1.
All I want is a nice street car motor with an occasional trip down the strip. What is a general cost for prepping the block? Oiling mods? My idea was to go with a stroker kit, GN1s, I want to use a nice roller cam that's not too big and bad 223-223?. I would like to use a stock type chain with stock front cover Dutweiler pump? I will have a confident  machine shop build this right. I'm just trying to cover some basics before I jump into this thing head first. I do have a Powersource book I can use as a guide. Anything would be appreciated! Thanks Michael
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”  85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife 
    
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April 7th, 2008, 09:30 PM
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"Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife"
As long as she dosen't mind you spending a boatload of money you should be fine... 
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Brett The world is full of whiners...... 1987 Black Turbo T, Stage II, F.A.S.T XFI w/ ITC, Precision 76mm Turbo, Champion GN1-R Heads, Champion Race Ported Intake, PTC Converter, MSBC-1 Boost Controller, RJC Polished FMIC, RJC Pulleys, RJC MAF Pipe, Turbonetics Godzilla BOV, Rzrs Dual Alky Kit, Lonnie Diers Billet 2004r w/Elect TB, HR 224/224, ATR's, Tial WG, Oil cooler, Deep Oil Pan, 83# Lb. Inj, Aeromotive Fuel, Callico Coated Bearings, March Perf. Billet Alt, Girdle, Savitske Stainless Upper/Lower Control Arms & Ball Joints, Metco Upper/Lower Rears, ATR Sway Bar, Aerospace Front & Rear Brakes, SBC Springs, Hydratech, 3.5 in Custom Exh, 6 Point Chromoly Bar, Custom Bogart Welded R/T's w/ MT DR's, Bilstens, Ice Cold A/C, Eclipse. Tuned by Otto J.
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April 7th, 2008, 09:47 PM
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"Who builds the best Stage 2" thread....
I've followed that thread but I don't want a 6000 hp street brick built in 24hours so I can pull it behind my 9000 hp Range Rover and 2000 hp Ducati while using my 350 hp leaf blower. I guess I could call DLS or Anderson but I would rather not waste someone's time on the phone. I figured if someone wanted to they could give me a things to chew on. Thanks for the comments so far.
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” 85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife
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April 7th, 2008, 09:50 PM
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Location?
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Brett The world is full of whiners...... 1987 Black Turbo T, Stage II, F.A.S.T XFI w/ ITC, Precision 76mm Turbo, Champion GN1-R Heads, Champion Race Ported Intake, PTC Converter, MSBC-1 Boost Controller, RJC Polished FMIC, RJC Pulleys, RJC MAF Pipe, Turbonetics Godzilla BOV, Rzrs Dual Alky Kit, Lonnie Diers Billet 2004r w/Elect TB, HR 224/224, ATR's, Tial WG, Oil cooler, Deep Oil Pan, 83# Lb. Inj, Aeromotive Fuel, Callico Coated Bearings, March Perf. Billet Alt, Girdle, Savitske Stainless Upper/Lower Control Arms & Ball Joints, Metco Upper/Lower Rears, ATR Sway Bar, Aerospace Front & Rear Brakes, SBC Springs, Hydratech, 3.5 in Custom Exh, 6 Point Chromoly Bar, Custom Bogart Welded R/T's w/ MT DR's, Bilstens, Ice Cold A/C, Eclipse. Tuned by Otto J.
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April 7th, 2008, 10:13 PM
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Just outside of middle earth beyond the enchanted forest.
Just kidding.....the great and wonderful Atlanta, Ga.
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” 85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife
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April 8th, 2008, 12:14 AM
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A Ring fan?
Do you have any parts yet for it?
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Brett The world is full of whiners...... 1987 Black Turbo T, Stage II, F.A.S.T XFI w/ ITC, Precision 76mm Turbo, Champion GN1-R Heads, Champion Race Ported Intake, PTC Converter, MSBC-1 Boost Controller, RJC Polished FMIC, RJC Pulleys, RJC MAF Pipe, Turbonetics Godzilla BOV, Rzrs Dual Alky Kit, Lonnie Diers Billet 2004r w/Elect TB, HR 224/224, ATR's, Tial WG, Oil cooler, Deep Oil Pan, 83# Lb. Inj, Aeromotive Fuel, Callico Coated Bearings, March Perf. Billet Alt, Girdle, Savitske Stainless Upper/Lower Control Arms & Ball Joints, Metco Upper/Lower Rears, ATR Sway Bar, Aerospace Front & Rear Brakes, SBC Springs, Hydratech, 3.5 in Custom Exh, 6 Point Chromoly Bar, Custom Bogart Welded R/T's w/ MT DR's, Bilstens, Ice Cold A/C, Eclipse. Tuned by Otto J.
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April 8th, 2008, 12:24 AM
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Brett The world is full of whiners...... 1987 Black Turbo T, Stage II, F.A.S.T XFI w/ ITC, Precision 76mm Turbo, Champion GN1-R Heads, Champion Race Ported Intake, PTC Converter, MSBC-1 Boost Controller, RJC Polished FMIC, RJC Pulleys, RJC MAF Pipe, Turbonetics Godzilla BOV, Rzrs Dual Alky Kit, Lonnie Diers Billet 2004r w/Elect TB, HR 224/224, ATR's, Tial WG, Oil cooler, Deep Oil Pan, 83# Lb. Inj, Aeromotive Fuel, Callico Coated Bearings, March Perf. Billet Alt, Girdle, Savitske Stainless Upper/Lower Control Arms & Ball Joints, Metco Upper/Lower Rears, ATR Sway Bar, Aerospace Front & Rear Brakes, SBC Springs, Hydratech, 3.5 in Custom Exh, 6 Point Chromoly Bar, Custom Bogart Welded R/T's w/ MT DR's, Bilstens, Ice Cold A/C, Eclipse. Tuned by Otto J.
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April 8th, 2008, 01:12 AM
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Yes, I am a ring fan. Parts? well......block, ported GN1s, ported stock intake, precision dog house, 70mm throttle body and that's about it. Have not decided which car to put it in. I have a converted 83 T-type or a converted 85 WH1. The biggest turbo that I have now is a 67 bb that I'v'e yet to try. I do have a powerstoke intercooler but I think I'll use something else.
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” 85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife
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April 8th, 2008, 05:56 PM
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April 8th, 2008, 06:16 PM
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The heads you have will be fine, I am sure you knew that, use the intake and dog house you have. That 67 bb would be a mean turbo for the street with a stage motor. I would keep the converter you have it will work well with a stage motor on the steet.
The powerstroke intercooler will work pretty well. I would try it to start and change it if you want. As for a rotating assembly, go with the forged stuff. I would suggest maybe an Eagle crank, that will save you some money, JE pistons, Crower rods. Get some opinions on the rods and pistons there are a few different sources on here. You can use studs for the heads instead of bolts, Cometic head gaskets are helpful too. Do not under any circumstances use some dip$hit machine shop to do the work on the block, they will screw it up for sure. Think about headers too. Your 67 turbo is probably a 3 bolt but the motor will like a set of headers as opposed to stock headers. Think about a bigger exhaust housing for the turbo too. Make sure you have injectors that will handle the turbo. I highly recommend a FAST unit or other stand alone ECM for a stage motor. Buy a bank to bank they will work fine for your purposes. Most of all, do the research before you buy anything. It is always advantageous to have your builder geographically close to you. You may want to have one of the above mentioned shops build the short block for you then put the heads and the rest on yourself. Food for thought. Let the disagreements commence.
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April 8th, 2008, 07:09 PM
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be prepared to spend about 10k.
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get your kicks with a little V6 67 Pontiac Firebird stage II power 99 Corvette coupe 6 speed 03 VW GTI VR6 6 speed 99 Western Star Detroit powered 06 GMC D'Max Allison 4x4 dually
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April 8th, 2008, 07:34 PM
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I've followed that thread but I don't want a 6000 hp street brick built in 24hours so I can pull it behind my 9000 hp Range Rover and 2000 hp Ducati while using my 350 hp leaf blower. I guess I could call DLS or Anderson but I would rather not waste someone's time on the phone. I figured if someone wanted to they could give me a things to chew on. Thanks for the comments so far. Just to let you know they also build long lasting safe street motors! they have all the tricks and bugs worked out to make them run! (not ever motor has to be fast) And also i would love to take that  9000 Hp Range Rover out for a ride Good Luck with your motor!
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April 8th, 2008, 08:59 PM
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I've got a 016 stage block in my TTA. I was like you and just wanted a good bottom end. I use a stroker crank and K-1 rods from DLS along with some JE pistons and got out for about $1600.00 on the rotating assembly.
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April 8th, 2008, 09:27 PM
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Great
That's what I was looking for. What oilling mods did you have to make? Duttweiler pump? Double roller chain? Cam? What did it cost to prep the block? Thanks
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” 85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife
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April 8th, 2008, 09:47 PM
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The off center blocks are set up just like the stock blocks for oiling. You can opt to have Duttweiler style oil pump in you wish (not a bad idea) or you can use a stock set up.
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87' T-reX clone Runs like the loose bowels!!!12.37@111mph going easy on it TE44 hebrew_charger- Big Mouth Toothless Cold Air - Micheal Jackson stretch IC "heee heee" - James Bond 009 injunctions- xp fool pump- Raid Armstong 93chocolate chip - highwire and voltronbooster - Boost Commakazi- Alky anonomous kit- 2500stall cat converter& ship in the bottle kit - 3" DamnPipe - Free Flowing 2 1/2 double breathers- internally stock motion with Heavy Duty Valv-o-line - PolyU bushoggs - Goldburg shocks - Billet LowerControl elbows - Vari Rate Colons & a AssMaster 2.1.
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April 8th, 2008, 10:10 PM
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Thanks Nasty Wendy
I wasn't sure of the direction of the oil flow.
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EPH 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” 85 WH1 T-type converted to intercooled. Champion ported intake and doghouse, pplate, Accufab 65mm, ported GN1s , 55s, 212-212 Comp roller, .040 TRW, RJC pulleys, girdle, Precision stock location, Precision 67 H cover turbo , Precision 3000 stall, Eaton, LS1 brakes, Bilsteins, Belltechs, Lonnie Diers tranny, Beehive springs of Hendricks Racing prepped by Scott Schumacher. Best time 15.33 @ 88mph in reverse! Finally building a Stage II... goal is to finish it and still be happily married to the same wife
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April 8th, 2008, 11:18 PM
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 I think you've got excellent options now, with the Eagle cranks, K-1 rods, etc. For a street motor, you might want to take a good look at the Diamond pistons (I think Full Throttle sells them.) They're machined from TRW forgings - less expansion (or at least they used to be.) One suggestion: don't overlook the stock ECM with one of the MAF Translator setups. I've been using an old MAF-T to run 96 lb/hr injectors and pass CA smog with flying colors. That new MAF-T Pro looks great. Don't believe the "it'll cost you a zillion $" stuff, either. Good luck.
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86 Gray T-Type, Bench Seat, Column Shift.... 274 Stage II with Stage II Heads
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