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Old November 20th, 2007, 09:45 PM
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Whats the best timing set up belt/chain/gear for Stage 2 engines
with solid roller cams? Looking for the pros and cons of whatever is available. I'd like to have EVERYTHING (as usual) durability, strength, quiet. I'd like to keep a working knock sensor if possible but I can be talked out of it. Thanks in advance for the help/opinions/facts.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 12:35 AM
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I should have said that I want to try having a working knock sensor but I can be talked out of trying it. The solid cam will be a hurdle for that I know.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 01:19 AM
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Anybody know the part number for the Danny B belt drive kit used for Buick on-center stage2s? Is it a kit or a pieced together deal?
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Old November 21st, 2007, 05:05 AM
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A good chain works well for all around situations. Sending it and the gear set off to get cryo'd and coated (gears) is also positive.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 07:25 AM
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I think that there have been some chain failures on engines w/ outrageous spring pressures.. As in near 400# on the seat.
I'd guess the choice is application dependent??
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Old November 21st, 2007, 07:31 AM
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I'm using a Weber modified RollMaster chain. I am getting about 2 seasons on the chain before stretch becomes a concern. My spring pressures are 360# on the seat.

I've heard the Milodon gear drive is nearly bullet proof. I have a couple gear drives but never used them.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:38 AM
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Milodon gear drive gets my vote. If setup properly, there is zero noise with this setup. No noise means no nasty harmonics.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 05:56 PM
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Here is Danny Bee's website: It doesn't show the Buick set up, only the cam retention plate.

http://www.alwaysopenmall.com/layout...elatedItemID=0

I bought my belt set up from Mike Boeher. He also modified my distributor as a foward facing type. There is more work involved going to a belt drive set up. Need a remote oil pump and remote water pump. And the previously mentioned distributor.

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Old November 23rd, 2007, 12:09 AM
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Milodon gear drive gets my vote. If setup properly, there is zero noise with this setup. No noise means no nasty harmonics.
That sounds like the ticket. I have NEVER heard of a completely quiet timing gear set up. Got any details or can you point me to someone who does?

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Here is Danny Bee's website: It doesn't show the Buick set up, only the cam retention plate.

http://www.alwaysopenmall.com/layout...elatedItemID=0

I bought my belt set up from Mike Boeher. He also modified my distributor as a foward facing type. There is more work involved going to a belt drive set up. Need a remote oil pump and remote water pump. And the previously mentioned distributor.

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By remote oilpump do you mean something like a Duttweiler set up? I can deal with that. If you mean a dry sump type oil pump then thats a no can do.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 05:59 AM
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By remote oilpump do you mean something like a Duttweiler set up? I can deal with that. If you mean a dry sump type oil pump then thats a no can do.
No, the belt drive set up has no water pump or oil pump provisions. You will need a dry sump type set up, which is far better that the stock style set up even compared to the Duttweiler. It is very easy to do but sounds and looks complicated.

I see you are asking alot of Stage 2 questions which is good thing. If you going to start building a Stage 2 motor, you are in a different ball field. You can not cheap out or there will be major carnage.

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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:44 AM
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I have no intention on 'cheaping out' but I need this to look as much like a street engine as possible. A three stage weaver hanging off of the block kind of gives to much of a hint. The gear drive if it can be done quietly sounds like the ticket for me. Please keep the info coming as I am all ears. Major carnage would be a bad thing.

Info on making the gear drive quiet would be much appreciated.

Many thanks for the info thus far.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 08:03 AM
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My Milodon setup is a perfect example of a quiet gear drive. I'll be at the WCN this weekend if anyone wants to try and hear the gear drive.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 08:33 AM
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I have the Danny Bee belt drives and I sell the Milodon gear drive complete
set-up with instructions (used) $125.00 for the standard or $150.00 for the
HD unit. I personnally have used both types. I see no difference between them as far as usage goes, I never had the first problem with either!!!
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I have the Danny Bee belt drives and I sell the Milodon gear drive complete
set-up with instructions (used) $125.00 for the standard or $150.00 for the
HD unit. I personnally have used both types. I see no difference between them as far as usage goes, I never had the first problem with either!!!
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:37 PM
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If this is to be a street strip stage II, why not just run a stock type front cover and a quality chain???
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If this is to be a street strip stage II, why not just run a stock type front cover and a quality chain???

Why are you asking me the same question I'm asking everybody else?
I don't know whats best to run on them. I will be doing A LOT of street driving with it and I was ASSUMING that chains won't last nearly as long with the increased spring pressures/lift of a solid roller cam. Hey man educate me. I'd really appreciate it. Is there any reason NOT to use the gear drive?
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Mr. Nasty, I use a stock style front cover on my SII, over 300#'s on the seat, and i use a progear timing chain. If it's good enough for Dan Strezo, it's good enough for me!

BTW, u using that expensive oil pan i sold ya?
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Mr. Nasty, I use a stock style front cover on my SII, over 300#'s on the seat, and i use a progear timing chain. If it's good enough for Dan Strezo, it's good enough for me!

BTW, u using that expensive oil pan i sold ya?
That oil pan is trying to get used on a production 4.1 that will power my car until the Stage2 is ready. If my machinist EVER gets to work.

Back to the chain, do you street drive your car a lot? Do you know if Dan Strezo does? Longevity on the street is very important to me.
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